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you're listening to Ira the inception

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the extraordinary phenomenon

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investigations council presents epic

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voyages come join us as we hitter and

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experience the great mysteries of the

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world with tonight's host with me haul

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good evening it's our special for our

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halloween extravaganza on epic voyages

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on the inception radio network I'm

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Whitney the wit stir Whitney hall and

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tonight maverick joins me dr. Aaron

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Judkins and we will be having a two

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different guests as well during this

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four hour period so grab your candy corn

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your apple cider it's time to have some

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fun as we are gearing up for Halloween

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coming up later this week and Aaron it's

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great to have you with me tonight it's

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going to be lots of fun yes it is i'm so

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excited to do a show with you Whitney

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because this is a first to be able to

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kind of double team up on a show yeah

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I'm going to just kind of sit in the

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background and chime in every now and

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then but what a wonderful lineup we have

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for you tonight oh and you get the hot

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chocolate out you need to get ready

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curled up on the couch whatever it is

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you're doing now I realize the Cowboys

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are on I'm just saying but you need to

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Tunis and tell your friends because this

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is going to be an awesome awesome

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halloween special show here on epic

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voyages I know as you curl up on the

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couch you might want to grab a blanket

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just to cover up from the crazy like

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boogeyman scary stuff that might come

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it's gonna be it's gonna be kind of

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scary and due to its graphic content I

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would say that it's not suitable for

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young children we're going to be talking

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about some heavy stuff tonight so if

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you're listening maybe pop in some

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earbuds or something cuz we don't want

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to scare the kiddies but tonight we're

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going to be talking about vampires

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werewolves and evil archaeology the

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first two hours were going to be talking

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with bill snellen and followed by dr.

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heather Lynn now both of us have talked

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with these guests in recent few weeks

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have passed

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earlier with different topics on epic

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voyages I talked with Bill about his

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cancer wars DVD and alternative

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treatments to cancer and Erin you talked

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with heather Lynn not too long ago

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that's right we we did another topic on

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the samaritan controversy tonight's

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going to be totally different new topic

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new subjects all the way around it's

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going to be so much fun yeah it is going

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to be great well first off we have bill

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snugglin and i grew up not celebrating

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Halloween coming from a Christian

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household we saw it as the devil's

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holiday although we would do some like

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you know fall festival type things Erin

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did you grow up trick-or-treating as a

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kid well initially I did at some point

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my parents moved away from that and and

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and we stopped doing it somewhere around

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junior high but uh and then we started

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kind of doing something different you

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know for for the Fall Festival but I

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originally did early on in my my

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youngster years and then yeah it was a

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it's something now remember doing with

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my sister you know yeah yeah get some

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candy um this seems kind of innocent you

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know get some candy knock on the

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neighbors doors but tonight we're going

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to be talking about maybe some of the

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hidden things that you weren't aware of

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about Halloween and just kind of what

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stepping into all that darkness can do

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tonight's guest Bilson Evelyn he grew up

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trick-or-treating isn't that right bill

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probably older than either of you but I

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was raised in the 50s and yeah I went

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out trick-or-treating faithfully every

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year there i say religiously and you

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know cuz i like candy as much as the

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next kid yeah yeah what you know there's

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this element of you know being spooky

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and you get a little thrill and you know

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all of that and you know and of course

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back then you didn't hear anything

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against Halloween I mean at least not in

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our circles mm-hmm you know I was glad

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yeah and then then one of the main

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things that we heard about was the

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people were putting razor blades and

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apples that they handed out to kids so

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safe even to get the candy and I mean

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that's just one little look at what's

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going on but it was it was initially a

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Halloween night that kind of sparked

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your interest in the occult is that

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right we'll talk about that later yes

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yes and that kind of escalated

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throughout the years your interest in

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like the supernatural the occult to the

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point that that it turned you into one

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of the most gruesome characters that

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many of you listening tonight may have

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dressed up for Halloween and it's it's

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been fact it's been fictionalized by the

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name is Dracula Edward Cullen we're

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talking about vampires yes yes bill you

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were a vampire well you're jumping right

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into the deep end of the pool there but

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yeah I yeah I did you know get involved

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with a group a kind of a cult thing that

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that basically we drink blood and we

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believe that by doing so we would we

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would live forever and that when I

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finally you know died that I would be

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coming this immortal being kind of like

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what you see in some of the movies

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although a lot of what's in the movies

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is total nonsense you know like so many

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things but yes yes that was in the late

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70s Wow I know some of you listening

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right now by God might beat chuckling

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going haha yeah right that was the

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reaction I got when I was telling

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someone last week about tonight's show

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and she proceeded to tell me about a man

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that she had encountered a new lines who

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had his his teeth filed the pointy fangs

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and and she said he seemed nice to

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normal as she talked to him he wasn't

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you know Ravis Lee salivating to bite

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her in the neck and suck her blood he

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seemed like a normal guy uh I myself

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watch the twilight saga of films which

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we'll talk about more tonight because

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I've been told that you know vampires

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are just fantasies it's not real that's

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why you may be laughing tonight it's

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just made up Aaron have you seen the

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Twilight films or other vampire

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favorites that you've watched I have to

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say I haven't I know I I don't because

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of my time and it for me it just

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wouldn't be entertainment for me I know

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that's very popular though with the

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youth and

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and you know the culture today it's you

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know zombies vampires very popular I've

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been hearing about it I haven't seen any

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of it but I've heard quite a bit about

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it yeah yeah yeah it's very popular in

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pop culture it seems like in the past

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maybe century or so vampires were Rolf's

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grown and popular entertainment like uh

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actually there's a movie out called

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dracula untold bill have you heard about

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that one it's in thesis that's the

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latest installment of what i call the

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vampire as Messiah oh okay it's like a

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sub-genre Oh as Dracula's the hero as

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you well not really a hero but an

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antihero and in someone who literally

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you know and I haven't seen this movie I

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don't even tend to see it but you know

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as I understand it basically he he you

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know to say cuz what people may or may

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not understand is the Dracula the

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character is based on a real historical

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figure Vlad tepish who was like he was

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like a warlord in an ancient Romania

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well an ancient like 500 years ago yeah

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he's regarded by his people kinda like

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the way we in America think of George

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Washington he was a patriot he was a

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hero he was also very brutal and very

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savage and it's probably why you know

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Bram Stoker the guy who created the

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literary Dracula uh picked up the name

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because the name literally means son of

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the Dragon yeah his see his father the

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real duelist Vlad guy uh his real father

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was that are cool which means dragon and

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he was given that name because he joined

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this order of the Dragon which was

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actually a papal order you know from the

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papacy it was like a knighthood order

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that he was conferred conferred upon him

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for the purpose of fighting the infidels

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fighting there was the Turks and the

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Muslims mainly which is oddly enough

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what we're getting into today but anyway

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you know the more things change the more

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things they say the same but but in any

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event so this guy was in the order of

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and so his son of Vlad tepish came to be

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known as Dracula because you know he was

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the son of the Dragon and also because

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he was very savage guy who would he did

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in his life historically he did some

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very unspeakable things you know first

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it was a different time and you know

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this is like you know obviously 200

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years before the American Revolution

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making I'm very glad the Impaler yeah

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that's why wish me with ya yeah we don't

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need anybody going to all AB you know he

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was he was a very nasty guy and and so

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the premise of this movie as I

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understand it is it he basically to save

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his people to save his nation from the

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invading Turks or whatever it might be

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magyars he he went and got these awesome

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occult / vampiric powers from this evil

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old you know vampire and so it's like

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okay he's like this Messiah figure who

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came to save his people and and this is

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not the first time this has come up i

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mean even even in a book dracula there's

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a heavy you know subtext of him being

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kind of this dark messiah you know the

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idea that that you know at one point

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he's and this has been in many of the

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movies this scene where he dracula he

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seduces this woman usually in the book

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it's mina harker but in the movies it's

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different people and he actually you

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know seduces her and tells her if she

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drinks his blood that you know she will

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live forever and he actually cuts open

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his chest and has her drink blood from

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his side and he actually says you are

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boning my bone and flesh of my flesh oh

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that's nasty you know and I mean it's

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like this weird dark communion service

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long-standing in in the Roman Catholic

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Church there's this long-standing I

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Connor or symbolism if you will of a

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pelican is a symbol of Messiah gouging

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opened its breast to feed its young

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which is a metaphor of course for the

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fact that you know when Messiah was

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killed on the cross his side was pierced

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with you know

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the spear and blood and water flowed out

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of his sight and you know and of course

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it's that blood that gives us as

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Christians eternal life so it's like the

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the Bram Stoker and a lot of the other

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been about a hundred and hundred and

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thirty years you know have created this

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kind of dark Christ figure who offers

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supposedly eternal life and it's very

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seductive and it used to be I mean if

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you look at the history and I in my book

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you know romancing death which is a

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whole survey of this issue of the

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vampire in popular culture and its

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spiritual dangers you know it is very

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very critical to understand that there's

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this like seduction involved where

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originally there was this movie Oh

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probably 100 years ago called Nosferatu

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a symphony of terror there was a silent

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film it was the first film version

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Dracula they changed the name of the guy

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to avoid getting sued and and in it the

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vampire looks like a human rap I mean

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he's this really ugly you know guy with

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big pointy ears and teeth like a rat

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like a rodent I mean to none like the

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vampires you see today to they have like

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you know their canine teeth and he was

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just hideous and it's really a very

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scary film and um you know but now down

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to the centuries Dracula and the other

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vampires not through centuries which of

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the decades has become more and more

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sexy yeah I mean Edward Cullen I mean

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that's like he was on the cover of all

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the magazines every girl you know it was

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like this it was his romance in the

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Twilight series you know he was he was

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attractive and so was I mean come on and

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the movies Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise

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interview with a vampire hello those are

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the biggest you know heartthrobs around

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and johnny depp in dark shadows mm-hmm

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oh yeah yeah and even back as far back

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as 99 was 78 Frank Langella who of

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course is now kind of an elder statesman

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in Hollywood he was quite sexy back then

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you know

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he played Dracula an apt ation of the

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stage play and you know he was really

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the first very very you know

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romantic-looking vampire and ever since

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then it's been getting more so and of

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course that's because you know frankly

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Hollywood is no you know friend of the

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gospel I mean they basically are not

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very usually although I know everybody

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saying oh this is the year of the Bible

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and there's all these more vital

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friendly films this particular year but

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that's kind of an anomaly and so there

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most of the films they've created have

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been too kind of accentuate the idea of

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the vampire as being this dark sexy

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antihero mm-hmm and especially you

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mentioned the twilight series and that's

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it to me especially worrisome because

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those are books that are oriented toward

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adolescent especially adolescent females

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and you know if you read those books and

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I when I wrote my book I had to suffer

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through reading all off because they're

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giant books I mean they're like six or

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seven pages long and you know it's very

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seductive because if you're a young girl

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you know 15 16 17 years old and you're

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reading these books and you have all the

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insecurities the the adolescent females

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and our culture have about their their

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body image about will I get a boyfriend

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you know all by my popular I am I a

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klutz you know all of these things

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that's right there in the book and it's

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like here's this you mentioned this

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Edward Cullen who's this gorgeous Greek

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god like you know vampire and he

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basically falls in love with this go key

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teenage girl Bella and you know it's

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like every girl's fantasy because here's

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this gorgeous guy who loves me and he

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can make me you know sexy and whatever

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you know and he can make me young

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forever because that's that's what these

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these vampire things promise is that

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you'll be forever young and of course

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it's a lie but yet you know adolescents

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as we know sometimes have trouble

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discerning truths from air especially

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when it comes to romance and so that's

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the danger of this

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I mean if you want we can even talk

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about how how bad a role model this

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Bella is in terms of being an

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independent intelligent woman figure you

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know in today's world you know she's not

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I mean she's basically a whiny

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adolescent who like clings to this guy

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like a you know like a leech part knee

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action and I mean she's like totally

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like fixated on him and it's it's not

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the kind of behavior that you would want

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your daughter you know to emulate and

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yet she's she's like an iconic hero in

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in the culture of the first the first

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decade of this century yeah it's really

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really sad you know because a lot of

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girls are running around saying oh I got

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to find somebody like Edward Cullen to

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bite me in the neck and and here's the

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point I think we need to make because

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you mention know everybody thinks this

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is just fantasy but you know actually

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there really are people out there you

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know so the question asks our vampires

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real yes well that i'd have to say

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qualified yes yeah not necessarily like

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you see in hollywood where they they

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turn into bats and they you know fly

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around or they turn into mist and seep

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under your door and things like that no

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but are there really people out there

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that drink blood and and there's this

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kind of cultic religious sexual overtone

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to it yes there are and all you have to

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do I mean there's there's the you know

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vampire church there's there's all these

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websites devoted to different like

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there's even denominations now a vampire

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ism there's the sanguinary in vampires

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that drink blood and there's the psychic

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vampires that just live off of soul

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force you know things like that and then

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there's even subdivisions with that and

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they have all these philosophical

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discussions of course they also have

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sectarian fights between them about

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which is the true vampire and it's it's

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craziness but yes and and many of these

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people are kind of deviant individuals I

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mean because you can't here's the

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problem scene from a Bible perspective

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and I'm a person minister of the gospel

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now

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I should maybe make that clear I no

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longer do these things and you know the

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problem is is it from the Bible's

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perspective it's a sin to drink blood I

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mean that that's that's given in you

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know like in the Old Testament it's

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given in the law of Moses and it's even

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also in the books of Acts chapter 15 you

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know this is this is something that is

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dangerous spiritually to drink blood

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this ain't nothing of hygienic Lee and

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health-wise dangerous I mean you look at

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all of the weird diseases we have now

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floating around you know in society I

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mean Ebola is just the latest one to be

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on the public radar you know you don't

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want to be drinking blood you know and

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and it says in in the Torah and the

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Bible thou shalt not drink blood because

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the blood is the life of the soul and of

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course we all understand that I mean

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obviously if you had no blood you'd be

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dead so you know where did regard that

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is sacred and not drinking in fact you

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know you may even know that to this day

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Orthodox Jews if they eat meat they they

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have special kosher meat you know like

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beef or chicken that has been as much as

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possible drained of blood before it's

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delivered to the store to be to be

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bought because they don't want to even

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accidentally get a little blood in their

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meat when they cook it so you know this

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is something that's serious and and so

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when if you um you know if you're a

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young woman and you find some some

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velocity some weirdo that is trying to

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be a vampire and they say I'll drink

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your blood and you'll live forever you

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know when you allow that to happen and I

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don't care if they bite the person in

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the neck because some people some of

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these vampires do that some of them have

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a razor blade or a scalpel and they'll

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they'll cut a vein in the person's arm

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and dreamer I heard somebody was telling

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me about the like richest of the rich in

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the Dallas area that they like I don't

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know if it's every year or something

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they ran out the big reunion tower in

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dallas which is this big ball it has a

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restaurant at the top of it it's like

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expensive you know nice restaurant they

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rent it out and that they have people

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come that sign documents you know saying

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whatever they don't have disease

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and then they cut them and drain the

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blood and they mix it with alcohol and

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drink it as like some high-class thing

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yeah I hadn't heard about I'd wouldn't

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surprise me though there in like LA I

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know because I've talked to police

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officers that have told me about it they

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have they have kind of underground night

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clubs that are devote that are devoted

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to the consumption of human blood people

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go there to kind of hook up and drink

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each other's blood ok so there's so

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these people say I mean anybody could

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say oh I drink blood therefore I'm a

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vampire and you know want to be vampires

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so there's like the self-proclaimed ones

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versus like are there actually like

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demon-possessed vampires which you know

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explain that to me the difference

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self-proclaimed versus like demon

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possessed yeah and my humble opinion

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anybody the drinks human blood has

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probably got some demonic problems you

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know but but there are people within you

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know within Satanism who have chosen

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that path you know just like you know in

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any in any kind of ecclesiastical

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situation there are people like for

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example in you know you know high church

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setting like the Roman Church of the

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Anglican Church you have people that are

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nuns you have people that are brothers

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you have people that are priests and

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your people to lay people in the same

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way in Satanism you have some people

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take this path of becoming a vampire and

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to do that you are you have to holy give

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yourself over to the demonic realm you

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have to be basically up to your eyeballs

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and demons you know and you invite them

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in and I unfortunately I'm sad to say i

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used to do that i would literally invite

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i have a little chapel in the home i

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lived in this dark room full of candles

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and stuff and various occult stuff and i

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would kneel there and i would beg demons

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to come into me to give me more power

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and it wasn't until Jesus Yeshua that's

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what we call him is our Hebrew he

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actually was a you know Israelite he

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wasn't that wasn't really his historic

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name his name was you who shua until he

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sent me free really you know

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I was really trapped in this in because

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it is I'll tell you this much it's very

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addictive magic is addictive the occult

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is addictive and and blood is very

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addictive I mean you know there-there's

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actually studies about people to become

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just like you have heroin addicts or

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cocaine addicts you have people are

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actually addicted to drinking blood and

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if they don't get it they go into

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withdrawal hmm it's a kind of well in

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psychology and I should mention I have a

538
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:15,820
master's degree in counseling psychology

539
00:24:21,580 --> 00:24:18,559
and it's called in psychology a

540
00:24:25,060 --> 00:24:21,590
paraphilia you know which means a kind

541
00:24:27,580 --> 00:24:25,070
of weird sexual perversion to be aroused

542
00:24:29,769 --> 00:24:27,590
by either the sight of blood or drinking

543
00:24:31,690 --> 00:24:29,779
blood and yet there's thousands of

544
00:24:35,470 --> 00:24:31,700
people that are doing it and my concern

545
00:24:37,539 --> 00:24:35,480
is that is the parents or other people

546
00:24:41,070 --> 00:24:37,549
that are kind of in charge of our

547
00:24:43,659 --> 00:24:41,080
adolescent or even younger population

548
00:24:46,330 --> 00:24:43,669
think okay all this is just good clean

549
00:24:48,580 --> 00:24:46,340
fun you know it's fantasy and they don't

550
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:48,590
realize there are predatory individuals

551
00:24:52,450 --> 00:24:51,200
in both the sexual sense but also just

552
00:24:54,849 --> 00:24:52,460
in a sense of what we're talking about

553
00:24:57,789 --> 00:24:54,859
here there'll be more than happy to play

554
00:25:01,299 --> 00:24:57,799
on your child's fascination with these

555
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:01,309
dark things and draw them in and drink

556
00:25:05,529 --> 00:25:04,159
their blood and you know horrible other

557
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:05,539
things that we weren't even you know

558
00:25:10,269 --> 00:25:08,570
want to talk about I mean more and more

559
00:25:13,419 --> 00:25:10,279
weird stuff is going on in this world

560
00:25:16,090 --> 00:25:13,429
and that's my concern is that we don't

561
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,100
underestimate the peril of these things

562
00:25:20,049 --> 00:25:18,080
because we know this is like tinkerbell

563
00:25:22,330 --> 00:25:20,059
or something we'll know it it's not like

564
00:25:24,609 --> 00:25:22,340
tinkerbell yeah I like the line that you

565
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:24,619
said in your book Romancing jet that you

566
00:25:29,769 --> 00:25:26,570
were talking about how parents might

567
00:25:31,989 --> 00:25:29,779
think that you know wizards and chingon

568
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:31,999
Tooth Fairy and stuff is just fantasy

569
00:25:34,930 --> 00:25:33,710
and you're like well and goblins you're

570
00:25:37,210 --> 00:25:34,940
like well I don't know about the first

571
00:25:40,419 --> 00:25:37,220
two but the last one I know Wizards

572
00:25:43,810 --> 00:25:40,429
because I was one I mean there's really

573
00:25:46,210 --> 00:25:43,820
no arguing with that and the same thing

574
00:25:47,619 --> 00:25:46,220
with you I mean wizardry in advance to

575
00:25:52,389 --> 00:25:47,629
your vampire stage which we'll talk

576
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:52,399
about your your spiritual journey still

577
00:25:57,279 --> 00:25:55,369
ahead tonight on epic voyages and we'll

578
00:25:59,779 --> 00:25:57,289
also be taking calls later tonight on

579
00:26:03,739 --> 00:25:59,789
epic voyages so if you have a great why

580
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:03,749
shin you can call in coming up in about

581
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:06,210
45 minutes we'll be taking calls and you

582
00:26:11,539 --> 00:26:08,970
can also get on the chat room and a post

583
00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:11,549
questions there as well to talk to our

584
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:13,950
guest Phil snellen you can call later

585
00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:15,690
tonight when we when we asked for the

586
00:26:23,499 --> 00:26:16,919
calls the number to go ahead and have

587
00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:23,509
ready is 88 89 192 355 again 888 91 92

588
00:26:30,919 --> 00:26:26,070
355 if you're listening this Monday

589
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:30,929
night the 27th and so now bill why I

590
00:26:35,509 --> 00:26:33,210
mentioned earlier the the demonic

591
00:26:38,509 --> 00:26:35,519
possession and stuff and we're talking

592
00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:38,519
about the spiritual world manifesting

593
00:26:43,729 --> 00:26:40,470
itself in the physical world in like a

594
00:26:47,989 --> 00:26:43,739
tangible physical sense the Bible

595
00:26:52,099 --> 00:26:47,999
records angels appearing to to humans it

596
00:26:57,979 --> 00:26:52,109
also records demon possession and Jesus

597
00:26:59,719 --> 00:26:57,989
rescuing one man from that so you made

598
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,729
it pretty clear that you were not just a

599
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:01,919
self-proclaimed vampire of some kid who

600
00:27:07,129 --> 00:27:03,809
likes the golf see you somebody like the

601
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:07,139
goth scene and maybe had your teeth

602
00:27:11,719 --> 00:27:09,210
filed by dentist and like to drink blood

603
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:11,729
but you were actually had this spiritual

604
00:27:17,659 --> 00:27:14,340
world manifesting itself in you in a

605
00:27:20,509 --> 00:27:17,669
demonic control and powers that right oh

606
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,519
yes yes and I should just point out this

607
00:27:25,639 --> 00:27:23,039
is before as far as I can recall there

608
00:27:28,339 --> 00:27:25,649
was a goth scene I mean I think that

609
00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:28,349
sort of came up in the 80s and this was

610
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:32,700
back in the 70s so you know it wasn't

611
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,220
like I was following a trend yeah

612
00:27:40,099 --> 00:27:36,960
unfortunately I was kind of ahead of the

613
00:27:43,009 --> 00:27:40,109
curve on this but um you know yeah you

614
00:27:45,019 --> 00:27:43,019
see people need to understand there are

615
00:27:48,469 --> 00:27:45,029
just like there there there are saints

616
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:48,479
if you will holy people within the body

617
00:27:53,629 --> 00:27:50,609
of Christ you know that are really

618
00:27:56,299 --> 00:27:53,639
really sold out for him well in the same

619
00:27:59,089 --> 00:27:56,309
way there are there are people within

620
00:28:01,999 --> 00:27:59,099
the dark realms that are equally sold

621
00:28:05,479 --> 00:28:02,009
out to the devil that are litters elet's

622
00:28:08,509 --> 00:28:05,489
that will basically do anything for for

623
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:08,519
Satan and and I unfortunately was one of

624
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:11,730
those people at one point and you know

625
00:28:15,740 --> 00:28:14,010
when they when you are asked okay do you

626
00:28:18,020 --> 00:28:15,750
want to be if you want to progress

627
00:28:20,780 --> 00:28:18,030
further in this you have to do such and

628
00:28:24,020 --> 00:28:20,790
such a thing and I said yes and so I

629
00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:24,030
went through this process and and it was

630
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:27,150
very arduous and and not a lot of fun

631
00:28:31,220 --> 00:28:29,370
but and of course I was promised all

632
00:28:33,530 --> 00:28:31,230
these wonderful things it was a total

633
00:28:36,380 --> 00:28:33,540
lie you know that's the thing I need to

634
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:36,390
emphasize when big surprise oh yeah when

635
00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:38,460
you see all of these things in these

636
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,200
Hollywood movies and everything looks

637
00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:42,480
really wonderful and romantic and you

638
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:44,100
know like Bella and it we're gonna live

639
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:45,930
happily ever after for a thousand years

640
00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:48,450
you know blah blah blah well actually

641
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:52,260
that's a total lie and and the people

642
00:28:56,780 --> 00:28:54,960
that get into these fantasy things and

643
00:28:58,880 --> 00:28:56,790
I'm not saying everybody that sees these

644
00:29:01,880 --> 00:28:58,890
movies is going to do that but the

645
00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:01,890
danger is there especially because with

646
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,900
young people you know either men or

647
00:29:07,790 --> 00:29:05,760
women young men or women are more

648
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:07,800
susceptible to these kind of romantic

649
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:11,520
occultic fantasies and that's the danger

650
00:29:16,220 --> 00:29:13,410
is that is that they're going to draw on

651
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:16,230
it be drawn in and I'm reminded of the

652
00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:18,690
verse second Corinthians 211 in the

653
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:21,030
Bible mentions talking about in order

654
00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:23,130
that Satan might not outwit us for we

655
00:29:27,650 --> 00:29:26,100
are not unaware of his schemes and

656
00:29:29,660 --> 00:29:27,660
that's kind of what we're trying to do

657
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:29,670
tonight is kind of blow the whistle kind

658
00:29:36,410 --> 00:29:33,810
of unroll the blueprint so of the devil

659
00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:36,420
of the evil the dark side so that we

660
00:29:41,870 --> 00:29:38,220
won't be unaware of it so that we can

661
00:29:44,540 --> 00:29:41,880
stand our ground Ephesians 6 chapter 6

662
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:44,550
verse 11 put on the full armor of God so

663
00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:46,770
that you can take your stand against the

664
00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:49,380
devil's schemes for our struggle is not

665
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,620
against flesh and blood but against the

666
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,960
rulers against the authorities against

667
00:30:00,050 --> 00:29:57,120
the powers of this dark world and

668
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:00,060
against the spiritual forces of evil in

669
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:03,090
the heavenly realms and then it goes on

670
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:04,710
to tell us to put on the full armor of

671
00:30:11,540 --> 00:30:07,710
God so as we continue to kind of unmask

672
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:11,550
this this quote-unquote fantasy of

673
00:30:18,530 --> 00:30:15,090
vampires tell us your experience what

674
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:18,540
you've learned as far as we mentioned

675
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:20,760
earlier the fiction of vampires and

676
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:22,530
you're saying some of this stuff is not

677
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,440
true tell us what exactly is

678
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:27,840
higher compared to what a lot of these

679
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:30,720
fictional things you know say that

680
00:30:33,950 --> 00:30:32,100
vampires are like how would you define

681
00:30:36,740 --> 00:30:33,960
we're talking about a demon-possessed

682
00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:36,750
vampire not just a self-proclaimed one

683
00:30:45,619 --> 00:30:40,169
well I can just speak to the few people

684
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:45,629
I knew and myself we we were stronger

685
00:30:52,159 --> 00:30:50,460
than normal you know but I for example I

686
00:30:54,529 --> 00:30:52,169
could not go on the sunlight for more

687
00:30:57,169 --> 00:30:54,539
than a few minutes without having like

688
00:30:59,240 --> 00:30:57,179
either a broad-brimmed hat or you know

689
00:31:00,499 --> 00:30:59,250
my arms completely covered and actually

690
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:00,509
wearing gloves right I'd actually get

691
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,490
blisters on my skin from the sunlight

692
00:31:06,590 --> 00:31:04,799
hmm this is after going through this

693
00:31:11,149 --> 00:31:06,600
change this wasn't the way I was before

694
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:11,159
and additionally I really I couldn't eat

695
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,970
and that was a total bummer I mean

696
00:31:19,369 --> 00:31:17,039
imagine going a year and a half without

697
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:19,379
ever being able to eat is that how long

698
00:31:24,529 --> 00:31:21,210
you were a vampire you're in a sickly

699
00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:24,539
yeah mm-hmm and the only reason I got

700
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,220
out of that whole thing was because a

701
00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:29,039
Christian lady started praying for me

702
00:31:34,249 --> 00:31:31,590
and we can talk more about that later

703
00:31:37,899 --> 00:31:34,259
but that's the power of prayer but you

704
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,909
know so you know you can only drink

705
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:40,559
blood I mean I couldn't even drink water

706
00:31:46,009 --> 00:31:42,690
if I drank water it would just sit in my

707
00:31:48,190 --> 00:31:46,019
stomach oh and I you know like it

708
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:48,200
wouldn't even go in you know and so um

709
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:50,490
and people might wonder well where did

710
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,210
you get the blood well I had um I was

711
00:32:00,169 --> 00:31:56,159
the head of a coven of actually several

712
00:32:02,419 --> 00:32:00,179
covens of witches and I had about four

713
00:32:06,289 --> 00:32:02,429
or five women who were more than happy

714
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:06,299
to let me bite them in the neck and take

715
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:08,610
some blood yeah because they thought is

716
00:32:13,879 --> 00:32:11,490
some erotic thing romantic thing like we

717
00:32:15,740 --> 00:32:13,889
talked about earlier yes exactly that it

718
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:15,750
was some sort of a weird turn on and of

719
00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:17,460
course also they thought they'd get a

720
00:32:24,110 --> 00:32:20,820
cult power from it somehow and you know

721
00:32:28,269 --> 00:32:24,120
so so I do a different one every other

722
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:28,279
night or so and then you know basically

723
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:31,710
that was how I survived but you see like

724
00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:34,289
any other addiction you need more you

725
00:32:38,050 --> 00:32:36,360
know just like if you talk to anybody

726
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:38,060
who's been involved in either

727
00:32:42,970 --> 00:32:40,310
addiction or alcoholism you know or a

728
00:32:44,530 --> 00:32:42,980
treatment there of which I was a drug

729
00:32:48,790 --> 00:32:44,540
treatment guy for five years in the

730
00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:48,800
secular agency you need more to get the

731
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:51,590
same buzz and it's true of bear it's

732
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:53,840
true whiskey it's true of heroin and

733
00:32:59,680 --> 00:32:57,200
it's also true of blood and so I began

734
00:33:01,270 --> 00:32:59,690
needing more and then I began needing

735
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:01,280
more and I would I had to get a job

736
00:33:05,710 --> 00:33:03,890
where I would work at night so I got it

737
00:33:07,570 --> 00:33:05,720
and it's funny to think of a vampire

738
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:07,580
having to have a job but I I needed a

739
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:11,650
job you know it and so you could pay the

740
00:33:17,140 --> 00:33:14,210
utilities yeah well all the mundane

741
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:17,150
stuff yeah you know yeah and so they say

742
00:33:22,570 --> 00:33:20,510
you wouldn't have to buy food no no we

743
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:22,580
ended up you know I got a job working in

744
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:24,650
a third shift of the newspaper putting

745
00:33:29,380 --> 00:33:26,570
newspapers in boxes you know those tin

746
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:29,390
boxes you see on street corners and so I

747
00:33:33,460 --> 00:33:30,770
was out in the middle of the night you

748
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:33,470
know riding around and I'd see how bout

749
00:33:37,050 --> 00:33:35,330
you friendly mailman coming to all

750
00:33:39,790 --> 00:33:37,060
everybody's house that's super-creepy

751
00:33:41,290 --> 00:33:39,800
well yeah yeah in fact I would do that

752
00:33:42,910 --> 00:33:41,300
some nights they would they would have

753
00:33:45,850 --> 00:33:42,920
me actually deliver papers like if a

754
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:45,860
paper carrier was sick you know the one

755
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:47,330
of the adolescent kids they have

756
00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:49,730
delivering papers I'd have to go do it

757
00:33:53,980 --> 00:33:52,790
you know and yeah you know and yeah

758
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:53,990
you're right it's a little creepy to

759
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:55,310
think you've got a vampire to living

760
00:33:59,560 --> 00:33:57,170
your newspaper take you coming to your

761
00:34:01,600 --> 00:33:59,570
doorstep every day yeah yeah well we

762
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:01,610
never did that we just we drag him up on

763
00:34:06,940 --> 00:34:03,290
a thing and toss him over the fence you

764
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:06,950
know but anyway the point was you know I

765
00:34:11,380 --> 00:34:08,930
would sometimes be driving around and

766
00:34:14,140 --> 00:34:11,390
I'd see an isolated you know like street

767
00:34:16,180 --> 00:34:14,150
person or prostitute or something and I

768
00:34:19,150 --> 00:34:16,190
would really feel this this bloodlust

769
00:34:22,030 --> 00:34:19,160
you know rising up with imeon and like

770
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,040
you know I I never killed anybody thank

771
00:34:28,660 --> 00:34:24,560
goodness you know but I felt this urge

772
00:34:30,910 --> 00:34:28,670
to do it and I would fight it off um but

773
00:34:33,010 --> 00:34:30,920
you know it was only by the grace of the

774
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:33,020
almighty that I didn't end up like in a

775
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,090
nut house or something you know oh why

776
00:34:41,650 --> 00:34:37,520
even bother fighting it off I mean well

777
00:34:44,410 --> 00:34:41,660
because I was you know this is the real

778
00:34:47,140 --> 00:34:44,420
world it's not Hollywood and you know I

779
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:47,150
was afraid that I would make a mistake

780
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:50,270
and I get caught by the police and I'd

781
00:34:55,330 --> 00:34:51,530
end up either you know

782
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:55,340
we'll put in the mental hospital or sent

783
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,720
to prison or something and I had a

784
00:35:01,450 --> 00:34:58,880
family and you know friends and you know

785
00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:01,460
what noddin I just I didn't want to make

786
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:04,280
that make that happen you know I cared

787
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:06,290
too much and I didn't want to do it you

788
00:35:11,590 --> 00:35:08,510
know I there was still humanity in me

789
00:35:14,020 --> 00:35:11,600
and I know that's because you know an

790
00:35:16,690 --> 00:35:14,030
early age I'd had some experiences with

791
00:35:18,670 --> 00:35:16,700
the almighty and you know I know he had

792
00:35:21,010 --> 00:35:18,680
his hand on me he protected me even when

793
00:35:22,810 --> 00:35:21,020
I was stupid enough to get into some of

794
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:22,820
these things he always had his hand on

795
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:25,760
me cuz he he knew he knew the future and

796
00:35:30,460 --> 00:35:27,890
he knew that at some point I would come

797
00:35:33,730 --> 00:35:30,470
back to him at some point I would give

798
00:35:36,070 --> 00:35:33,740
my life holy over to him and that I

799
00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:36,080
would be serving him but you know in the

800
00:35:42,430 --> 00:35:39,140
meantime I was you know I was being

801
00:35:44,860 --> 00:35:42,440
stupid you know and you that that was

802
00:35:47,530 --> 00:35:44,870
that's the bottom line of it so you know

803
00:35:49,390 --> 00:35:47,540
anyway getting back to that I mean you

804
00:35:52,450 --> 00:35:49,400
basically have to stay indoors during

805
00:35:54,730 --> 00:35:52,460
the daytime and you can't get anywhere

806
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:54,740
near garlic and we just forget garlic

807
00:36:00,070 --> 00:35:57,890
you know what you well see garlic

808
00:36:04,090 --> 00:36:00,080
herbally speaking as a blood purifier

809
00:36:06,850 --> 00:36:04,100
and you know I had it was explaining me

810
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:06,860
this way the vampirism is an effect kind

811
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:09,730
of viral thing a virus that's

812
00:36:16,660 --> 00:36:12,650
transmitted because I drank the blood of

813
00:36:19,090 --> 00:36:16,670
this being and initiated me and and so

814
00:36:20,650 --> 00:36:19,100
because of that if I got if I if I go to

815
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:20,660
the grocery store like in the produce

816
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:22,610
section there'd be this big pile of

817
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:24,770
garlic sitting there 10 feet away my

818
00:36:30,850 --> 00:36:27,410
skin would start the edge hmm and five

819
00:36:33,250 --> 00:36:30,860
feet away forget it you know so no more

820
00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:33,260
Italian food for me you know back then I

821
00:36:37,180 --> 00:36:35,390
mean I wasn't eating food anyway but and

822
00:36:38,650 --> 00:36:37,190
I'll tell you people don't you know they

823
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:38,660
think it's all it's so romantic to be a

824
00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:40,970
vampire but imagine never being able to

825
00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:43,580
eat food mm-hmm imagine having this

826
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:47,270
boring diet of nothing but blood you

827
00:36:51,820 --> 00:36:49,610
know that's that's pretty pathetic you

828
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:51,830
know you know at the time it's a thrill

829
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:55,280
but yet you're caught in this trap and

830
00:37:00,370 --> 00:36:58,610
there's no way out that you can see you

831
00:37:02,890 --> 00:37:00,380
know because I was really afraid I was

832
00:37:04,570 --> 00:37:02,900
going to kill somebody and I didn't want

833
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:04,580
to do that you know there was enough

834
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,090
there

835
00:37:10,990 --> 00:37:08,000
enough of the old me still they're

836
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:11,000
fighting to get out that that I was able

837
00:37:16,750 --> 00:37:12,890
to hold off on that until like I said

838
00:37:19,540 --> 00:37:16,760
this that he started praying for me um

839
00:37:21,850 --> 00:37:19,550
so so you're saying you can't go out in

840
00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:21,860
the Sun you have to exclusively drink

841
00:37:28,570 --> 00:37:25,670
blood you couldn't get near garlic

842
00:37:30,190 --> 00:37:28,580
mm-hmm what other physical changes are

843
00:37:33,850 --> 00:37:30,200
things you had to do well if I said I

844
00:37:35,290 --> 00:37:33,860
had very good night vision oh yeah and

845
00:37:37,810 --> 00:37:35,300
you said you were actually also very

846
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:37,820
strong too yeah strong girl I mean not

847
00:37:41,470 --> 00:37:39,650
not like you see in the movies where

848
00:37:42,940 --> 00:37:41,480
you're picking up people and throwing

849
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:42,950
them across the room and stuff but I

850
00:37:47,530 --> 00:37:45,710
could tell I was more you know and of

851
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:47,540
course because I was full of the demonic

852
00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:50,090
I mean you look in the Bible you see it

853
00:37:55,090 --> 00:37:51,980
talks about how demon possessed people

854
00:37:57,250 --> 00:37:55,100
uh you know like the gathering demoniac

855
00:37:59,890 --> 00:37:57,260
that says that they would tear apart the

856
00:38:01,930 --> 00:37:59,900
chains and then nobody can hold them you

857
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:01,940
know actually I have that that pulled up

858
00:38:06,610 --> 00:38:04,910
mark five a man was possessed it says

859
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:06,620
this man lived among the burial caves

860
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:08,570
and could no longer be restrained even

861
00:38:12,970 --> 00:38:10,610
with a chain whenever he was put into

862
00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:12,980
chains and shackles as he often was he

863
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:14,750
snapped the chains from his wrists and

864
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:17,210
smashed the shackles no one was strong

865
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,730
enough to subdue him day and night he

866
00:38:22,990 --> 00:38:21,440
wandered among the burial caves and in

867
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:23,000
the hills howling and cutting himself

868
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:25,250
with sharp stones this man i'm seriously

869
00:38:29,110 --> 00:38:27,410
oppressed and seriously in a lot of

870
00:38:31,570 --> 00:38:29,120
anguish because of these demons at

871
00:38:35,530 --> 00:38:31,580
wembley mark five so yeah oh yeah yeah

872
00:38:37,330 --> 00:38:35,540
in fact I you know when I worked in this

873
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:37,340
substance abuse agency because they knew

874
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:39,890
I was a minister they'd often send

875
00:38:44,590 --> 00:38:42,050
people to me who believe they have

876
00:38:46,660 --> 00:38:44,600
devils and there was this one fellow

877
00:38:51,070 --> 00:38:46,670
that came to us and they had they had

878
00:38:53,110 --> 00:38:51,080
this guy was so full of demons that they

879
00:38:55,630 --> 00:38:53,120
had pumped him full of enough Thorazine

880
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:55,640
to knock over an elephant and he was

881
00:39:00,100 --> 00:38:57,370
still throwing people around the room

882
00:39:01,690 --> 00:39:00,110
you know and they finally subdued him

883
00:39:03,490 --> 00:39:01,700
and got him into you know restraints and

884
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:03,500
stuff they had to put a double layer of

885
00:39:09,310 --> 00:39:06,770
these letter things on him and and I was

886
00:39:11,860 --> 00:39:09,320
able to help lead him to Messiah and

887
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,870
then help get him delivered you know on

888
00:39:15,580 --> 00:39:13,280
that and because of that that's why they

889
00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:15,590
kept sending these people to me even

890
00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:17,750
though this was a secular you know drug

891
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:18,700
abuse agency

892
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,650
because obviously there's a lot of

893
00:39:24,930 --> 00:39:23,200
demons in in the addiction you know

894
00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:24,940
world i mean people that have addictions

895
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:28,060
so you know this is very real even

896
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:29,410
though it sounds like something out of a

897
00:39:35,130 --> 00:39:32,560
Hollywood movie the demonic is very real

898
00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:35,140
and yes you get a limited amount of

899
00:39:41,790 --> 00:39:38,380
power from it but it's all a loser e

900
00:39:43,980 --> 00:39:41,800
because you're ultimately a slave to

901
00:39:47,099 --> 00:39:43,990
these evil desires you can control

902
00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:47,109
yourself and then at some point you see

903
00:39:51,060 --> 00:39:49,480
that all of this is a lie and that's

904
00:39:54,089 --> 00:39:51,070
what i discovered i discovered it the

905
00:39:56,099 --> 00:39:54,099
whole thing was a lie you know and but i

906
00:39:59,310 --> 00:39:56,109
had at that point no way out of it until

907
00:40:00,960 --> 00:39:59,320
this woman started praying for me some

908
00:40:02,579 --> 00:40:00,970
people listening tonight to epic voyages

909
00:40:04,589 --> 00:40:02,589
still might have trouble believing your

910
00:40:06,089 --> 00:40:04,599
story maybe they are saying okay we're

911
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:06,099
talking about drugs this guy was

912
00:40:11,310 --> 00:40:08,079
obviously on cocaine and seeing things

913
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:11,320
or maybe he had schizophrenia I mean how

914
00:40:15,630 --> 00:40:13,510
do you how do you deal with that

915
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:15,640
obviously I've know you talked about

916
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,400
like you did use cocaine stuff when you

917
00:40:22,980 --> 00:40:20,079
were a vampire I'm not losing part of

918
00:40:24,510 --> 00:40:22,990
your initiation rite yes yeah yeah but I

919
00:40:26,730 --> 00:40:24,520
had once I did it once I actually

920
00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:26,740
crossed over that threshold I no longer

921
00:40:31,050 --> 00:40:29,230
did it and you know I understand that

922
00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:31,060
what I'm saying is is a little bit hard

923
00:40:35,970 --> 00:40:34,270
to believe but you know the thing I all

924
00:40:38,099 --> 00:40:35,980
I can say is I mean there there there

925
00:40:41,819 --> 00:40:38,109
are people walking around you know who

926
00:40:44,339 --> 00:40:41,829
can were there with me who would testify

927
00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:44,349
that this actually happened and you know

928
00:40:48,510 --> 00:40:47,380
I mean beyond that there are plenty of

929
00:40:50,099 --> 00:40:48,520
other people out there and you've

930
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:50,109
actually had other people that we have

931
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,609
led to Christ out of the vampiric

932
00:40:58,380 --> 00:40:55,599
lifestyle you know if I can call it that

933
00:41:00,210 --> 00:40:58,390
the vampiric cult so you know it's not

934
00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:00,220
like I'm the only person saying this is

935
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:02,950
out there but on the other hand you know

936
00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:04,690
all you have to do is get on the

937
00:41:09,450 --> 00:41:06,099
internet you will see there's all these

938
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:09,460
weird vampire churches and vampire this

939
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:13,839
and vampire that and you know it's

940
00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:16,720
become very much i mean it's become out

941
00:41:22,349 --> 00:41:19,150
of the coffin shall we say I mean back

942
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:22,359
in my day when I was involved in the 70s

943
00:41:26,910 --> 00:41:24,660
it was very much totally underground

944
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:26,920
nowadays of course there was no internet

945
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:28,930
back then obviously but nowadays I mean

946
00:41:32,580 --> 00:41:31,510
it's very much out in the open I mean

947
00:41:33,570 --> 00:41:32,590
you can see

948
00:41:36,330 --> 00:41:33,580
was about it on the history channel

949
00:41:38,130 --> 00:41:36,340
whether interviewing people that are

950
00:41:42,660 --> 00:41:38,140
practicing vampires and they're proud of

951
00:41:44,070 --> 00:41:42,670
it you know and that this is and I you

952
00:41:46,890 --> 00:41:44,080
know and again I'm not saying all these

953
00:41:48,690 --> 00:41:46,900
people are full blown you know the kind

954
00:41:50,970 --> 00:41:48,700
of thing that I was maybe they are maybe

955
00:41:53,460 --> 00:41:50,980
they aren't but I do know it's very

956
00:41:55,290 --> 00:41:53,470
dangerous because again if you drink

957
00:41:58,220 --> 00:41:55,300
blood up earning the Bible you open

958
00:42:01,710 --> 00:41:58,230
yourself up to demonic attack and you

959
00:42:04,830 --> 00:42:01,720
don't want to invite these things into

960
00:42:07,410 --> 00:42:04,840
you because they're there you would not

961
00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:07,420
believe what a demonic bondage can do to

962
00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:08,950
an individual I mean you were talking

963
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:10,390
about a moment ago with this gathering

964
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:13,210
demoniac you know your ear in anguish

965
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,490
you're in misery and toward the end of

966
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:17,680
this time of my sojourning in the dark

967
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:20,800
side yes I was miserable because there

968
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:22,690
was a part of me that was still wanting

969
00:42:28,650 --> 00:42:25,050
to do good and it was just like

970
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:28,660
enchained and in torment because you

971
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,510
know this this vampiric black magical

972
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:34,000
side of me was rebelling in what it had

973
00:42:39,870 --> 00:42:36,370
you know on what it could do and you

974
00:42:44,090 --> 00:42:39,880
know until the Lord set me free I was

975
00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:44,100
really very very miserable mm-hmm

976
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:46,630
fascinating fascinating it's epic

977
00:42:50,730 --> 00:42:48,370
voyages we're talking with bill snivelin

978
00:42:54,270 --> 00:42:50,740
about vampires we're also talk about

979
00:42:57,090 --> 00:42:54,280
werewolves coming up and Aaron Judkins

980
00:42:59,310 --> 00:42:57,100
who was with us as well hey Aaron hello

981
00:43:03,120 --> 00:42:59,320
he's gonna be talking with dr. heather

982
00:43:05,730 --> 00:43:03,130
Lynn we're also be taking your calls

983
00:43:08,670 --> 00:43:05,740
later on in the evening if you have

984
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:08,680
questions for bill about vampires or

985
00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:12,640
werewolves 8 8 8 9 192 355 will be

986
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:14,230
asking for that number for you to call

987
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:16,140
that number coming up later tonight

988
00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:19,920
maybe in about half an hour 888 91 92

989
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:22,990
355 you guys have also been chatting it

990
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:24,850
up in the chat room will be taking maybe

991
00:43:29,010 --> 00:43:26,410
some of those chat room questions that

992
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:29,020
you may have as well Aaron have you been

993
00:43:33,810 --> 00:43:30,310
looking at any of those chatroom

994
00:43:35,820 --> 00:43:33,820
questions well there's certainly been in

995
00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:35,830
the chat room no questions that I see

996
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:38,140
that's come up yet so if you had a

997
00:43:44,490 --> 00:43:41,530
question and you wanted to go on the air

998
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:44,500
just go to inception radio network com

999
00:43:48,060 --> 00:43:46,090
go to the light chat room type your

1000
00:43:52,770 --> 00:43:48,070
question and that will get it on the air

1001
00:43:55,980 --> 00:43:52,780
yeah okay so bill um we talked about

1002
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:55,990
kind of the the climax of your journey

1003
00:44:00,900 --> 00:43:57,850
there and finally where you are today

1004
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:00,910
being a Christian and we talked about

1005
00:44:05,940 --> 00:44:03,130
early on that Halloween night that kind

1006
00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:05,950
of started your your interest in the

1007
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,790
occult let's let's kind of walk us

1008
00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:11,440
through the different beliefs you

1009
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,390
embraced on your spirit or journey to

1010
00:44:18,210 --> 00:44:15,280
where you are today I know there's a lot

1011
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:18,220
in there you've got the the nine-hour

1012
00:44:22,050 --> 00:44:20,890
video of interview with an ex vampire

1013
00:44:25,110 --> 00:44:22,060
that you have available on your website

1014
00:44:28,740 --> 00:44:25,120
with one Accord org that's with one

1015
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,750
Accord org for for that but just kind of

1016
00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:30,640
briefly tell us all the different stages

1017
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:32,700
and what led to each of those different

1018
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:37,090
advancements sure well I mean I was

1019
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:40,210
raised a very devout Catholic and you

1020
00:44:44,610 --> 00:44:42,310
know I was really really I wanted to be

1021
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,620
a priest and was very very development

1022
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,480
of course as I mentioned back then

1023
00:44:50,010 --> 00:44:47,920
nobody had an inkling that there is

1024
00:44:51,570 --> 00:44:50,020
anything wrong with Halloween his are

1025
00:44:55,620 --> 00:44:51,580
here I go out trick-or-treating with my

1026
00:44:58,020 --> 00:44:55,630
friend and you know anyway this one year

1027
00:44:59,400 --> 00:44:58,030
this life-changing event happened i was

1028
00:45:02,270 --> 00:44:59,410
out trick-or-treating minding my own

1029
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:02,280
business is beautiful October night and

1030
00:45:07,650 --> 00:45:05,440
um walking down the street and I looked

1031
00:45:10,350 --> 00:45:07,660
up and there's been this clear sky you

1032
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:10,360
know I could just see the stars and all

1033
00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:12,370
of a sudden I looked up on an impulse

1034
00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:15,640
and the sky was just black with these

1035
00:45:20,820 --> 00:45:17,950
leathery things like the the arch of the

1036
00:45:23,460 --> 00:45:20,830
heavens was if you will covered with

1037
00:45:25,020 --> 00:45:23,470
these black leathery shapes and it's

1038
00:45:27,180 --> 00:45:25,030
kind of closed I could say as years

1039
00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:27,190
later I went through a cave and one of

1040
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:29,260
those tourists tours you know and there

1041
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,090
was this cave that was full of bats that

1042
00:45:37,410 --> 00:45:33,760
were sleeping and it looked kind of like

1043
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,420
that okay very very frightening and all

1044
00:45:41,580 --> 00:45:39,280
of a sudden as I was staring cuz I just

1045
00:45:43,860 --> 00:45:41,590
was transfixed by this is I'd mind you

1046
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:43,870
this was like probably 1960 at the

1047
00:45:49,740 --> 00:45:45,970
latest I never seen a horror movie I

1048
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:49,750
never read a horror book I know you know

1049
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:53,440
context into which to to put this you

1050
00:45:57,630 --> 00:45:55,570
know because back then really there were

1051
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:57,640
very few movies like that in my mother

1052
00:46:02,320 --> 00:45:58,640
and father when let me

1053
00:46:04,420 --> 00:46:02,330
watch them you know so here this these

1054
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:04,430
things had eyes in there I started to

1055
00:46:10,330 --> 00:46:07,760
open and they're released ruby red eyes

1056
00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:10,340
and they kind of bored into me and I

1057
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:12,950
felt this thrill go through me and I

1058
00:46:17,350 --> 00:46:15,130
didn't know what their I I had no

1059
00:46:19,330 --> 00:46:17,360
nothing I could name this he could

1060
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:19,340
adjust it felt somehow unclean and I

1061
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:23,210
felt somehow defiled and I I look my

1062
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:25,370
friend who'd kept on walking he wasn't

1063
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:27,410
looking up at the sky heater on and say

1064
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,970
hey Bill come on what are you doing you

1065
00:46:33,490 --> 00:46:31,040
know he wanted to get more candy and I

1066
00:46:35,830 --> 00:46:33,500
looked at him no back up in the sky and

1067
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:35,840
the sky was normal whatever this was it

1068
00:46:44,890 --> 00:46:40,490
had had left and I went on my way but I

1069
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:44,900
was like cold sweat all over me you know

1070
00:46:49,780 --> 00:46:46,970
I just I didn't know what to make of all

1071
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:49,790
this and I didn't want to tell my my

1072
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:51,410
mother about it because I thought then

1073
00:46:54,310 --> 00:46:52,490
she'd say oh you can't go out

1074
00:46:56,500 --> 00:46:54,320
trick-or-treating anymore you know you

1075
00:46:59,890 --> 00:46:56,510
know how kids are yeah and from that

1076
00:47:02,770 --> 00:46:59,900
point on I can kind of track a gradual

1077
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,780
trajectory of of getting first of all it

1078
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:04,640
was you know getting involved in

1079
00:47:09,420 --> 00:47:07,130
interest in UFOs interest in the

1080
00:47:12,490 --> 00:47:09,430
paranormal interest in haunted houses

1081
00:47:14,830 --> 00:47:12,500
interested in ESP all this in high

1082
00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:14,840
school and this the button that you know

1083
00:47:18,580 --> 00:47:16,760
nowadays that's not uncommon but you got

1084
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:18,590
to realize this is like in the 60s and

1085
00:47:22,990 --> 00:47:21,440
you know not many people even knew this

1086
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:23,000
stuff existed in the people that did

1087
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:25,730
were regarded as basically whack jobs

1088
00:47:31,060 --> 00:47:27,890
you know and here I was studying these

1089
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,070
things and you know by the time I got

1090
00:47:36,430 --> 00:47:33,200
into college because I still I still

1091
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:36,440
wanted to be a Catholic priest I had a

1092
00:47:41,860 --> 00:47:39,290
theologian a professor of theology was a

1093
00:47:43,810 --> 00:47:41,870
priest tell me you know if you want to

1094
00:47:46,810 --> 00:47:43,820
be christ-like you have to do it what

1095
00:47:50,890 --> 00:47:46,820
you know what Jesus did and study the

1096
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:50,900
occult and he told me this lie which now

1097
00:47:55,690 --> 00:47:52,850
is there's actually books out about this

1098
00:47:58,180 --> 00:47:55,700
topic that he went to India that our

1099
00:47:59,950 --> 00:47:58,190
award went to India and studied with the

1100
00:48:02,650 --> 00:47:59,960
gurus and he went to the vet and study

1101
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:02,660
with the Dalai Lama and he went to Egypt

1102
00:48:06,730 --> 00:48:04,970
and studied with the with the Sorcerer's

1103
00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:06,740
in Egypt and that's how he was able to

1104
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:07,380
do

1105
00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:09,210
the miracles he did is that he was

1106
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:11,700
actually a magician you know there's a

1107
00:48:17,569 --> 00:48:15,089
magician yeah there's even a book out by

1108
00:48:19,940 --> 00:48:17,579
written by a reasonably respectable

1109
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:19,950
scholar martin smith called Jesus the

1110
00:48:24,740 --> 00:48:22,650
magician you know but that wasn't out

1111
00:48:26,749 --> 00:48:24,750
when I went through all this that came

1112
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:26,759
out like and I think in the in the 80s

1113
00:48:31,819 --> 00:48:30,240
and so I believe this guy I mean he was

1114
00:48:33,769 --> 00:48:31,829
a priest he was a professor of theology

1115
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:33,779
why wouldn't I believe him I was like 19

1116
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:36,359
and so I started reading up on the

1117
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:40,160
occult and by the time you know the I

1118
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:43,140
graduated I I had written a guy in

1119
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,400
England it was the king of the witches

1120
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,559
and he had connected me to some people

1121
00:48:52,609 --> 00:48:49,200
over here in America and I got initiated

1122
00:48:56,299 --> 00:48:52,619
as a witch and you know and of course

1123
00:48:58,940 --> 00:48:56,309
Wicca is is which is which is the old

1124
00:49:00,430 --> 00:48:58,950
English word for which is is the

1125
00:49:03,019 --> 00:49:00,440
religion there's there's you know

1126
00:49:04,999 --> 00:49:03,029
thousands of witches of Wiccans in

1127
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:05,009
America yeah that's what was so

1128
00:49:09,259 --> 00:49:07,140
interesting to me is one time I found

1129
00:49:11,809 --> 00:49:09,269
myself working at a store and one of my

1130
00:49:15,170 --> 00:49:11,819
co-workers said she you know I'd grown

1131
00:49:16,579 --> 00:49:15,180
up Baptist but now she was a witch she

1132
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:16,589
was like I'm just a nice which i just

1133
00:49:25,009 --> 00:49:21,839
read tarot cards and stuff what okay but

1134
00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:25,019
I went and walked to the food court with

1135
00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:26,700
the erk as we worked in the mall and as

1136
00:49:30,499 --> 00:49:28,740
we walked bought back she said there's a

1137
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,509
lot of witches she was like there's one

1138
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:32,880
that works in that store and over there

1139
00:49:39,380 --> 00:49:35,609
and she and I was just blown away she's

1140
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:39,390
like yeah there's a lot of them and they

1141
00:49:44,180 --> 00:49:40,710
was around Christmas time and she gave

1142
00:49:45,529 --> 00:49:44,190
me like a quote it wasn't a Christmas

1143
00:49:47,269 --> 00:49:45,539
present but she gave her present to me

1144
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:47,279
on the 21st which was the day that you

1145
00:49:53,749 --> 00:49:50,400
know the pagans and celebrate yo you all

1146
00:49:55,309 --> 00:49:53,759
I call it you uh we call it Yuletide but

1147
00:49:58,339 --> 00:49:55,319
that actually comes from a pagan feast

1148
00:50:03,339 --> 00:49:58,349
called you well that was my former last

1149
00:50:06,109 --> 00:50:03,349
name you'll owe my maiden name so yay

1150
00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:06,119
Whitney what what does that mean you're

1151
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,220
your foot your last your last name was

1152
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:10,559
Yul you I just thought Yuletide like the

1153
00:50:14,830 --> 00:50:11,940
Christmas time but yeah I guess it is

1154
00:50:17,050 --> 00:50:14,840
like pagan Christmas I don't know

1155
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,060
okay all right is that like was that

1156
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:19,280
like Scandinavian or something or I

1157
00:50:25,150 --> 00:50:21,770
Scottish yeah oh really oh yeah

1158
00:50:29,620 --> 00:50:25,160
interesting yeah but but anyway I was

1159
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:29,630
like it was so fascinating too and that

1160
00:50:34,890 --> 00:50:31,130
even in my small little town she was

1161
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:34,900
like yeah there's lots of witches and so

1162
00:50:40,540 --> 00:50:38,810
yeah how many vampires are there are we

1163
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:40,550
talking here well i would say

1164
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:43,520
considerably less i mean and and and

1165
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:45,410
mind you let me let me just say

1166
00:50:51,550 --> 00:50:49,040
something here Wiccans are basically

1167
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:51,560
nice people for the most part they're

1168
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:54,410
not she wasn't gelling babies they're

1169
00:50:59,080 --> 00:50:56,810
not you know the they they're what we

1170
00:51:02,620 --> 00:50:59,090
call white witches of course they're

1171
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:02,630
lost they need the Lord they're they're

1172
00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:04,490
they're committing idolatry but they're

1173
00:51:08,110 --> 00:51:06,740
they're they're mostly innocent people

1174
00:51:12,610 --> 00:51:08,120
that have been to see just like I was

1175
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:12,620
when I was in my 20s I I thought Wicca

1176
00:51:17,050 --> 00:51:14,570
was a good thing I thought you know that

1177
00:51:22,090 --> 00:51:17,060
that it was this nice nature religion

1178
00:51:23,410 --> 00:51:22,100
and all of that and you know um so on

1179
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:23,420
the other hand you asked about how many

1180
00:51:28,270 --> 00:51:24,950
you know compared obviously I would say

1181
00:51:31,690 --> 00:51:28,280
probably there's only you know like one

1182
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:31,700
vampire for every ten witches in America

1183
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:34,610
you know it's comparatively a very small

1184
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:37,760
subset of the larger occult community

1185
00:51:43,660 --> 00:51:40,850
because it is more extreme you know very

1186
00:51:44,860 --> 00:51:43,670
very few people i mean most witches if

1187
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:44,870
you would say would you like to be a

1188
00:51:50,380 --> 00:51:48,170
vampire they look at you funny and you

1189
00:51:53,410 --> 00:51:50,390
know but the thing let me say something

1190
00:51:55,660 --> 00:51:53,420
here hmm CS lewis the famous you know

1191
00:51:56,770 --> 00:51:55,670
Christian writer and also novelist you

1192
00:52:00,640 --> 00:51:56,780
know he wrote The Chronicles of Narnia

1193
00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:00,650
and right screwtape letters he talked

1194
00:52:07,210 --> 00:52:04,190
about the idea of the occult awakening

1195
00:52:09,340 --> 00:52:07,220
kind of spiritual lust and he himself

1196
00:52:11,650 --> 00:52:09,350
had dabbled in the occult before he was

1197
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:11,660
saved because he was like a professor at

1198
00:52:17,050 --> 00:52:13,370
Oxford you know four years before he

1199
00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:17,060
finally found found Christ and you know

1200
00:52:22,810 --> 00:52:20,030
it he warned he said it just like you

1201
00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:22,820
know the physical issue of lust and then

1202
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:24,830
once you're defiled by it once you're

1203
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:27,440
touched by it you need to just cut it

1204
00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:27,690
off

1205
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,460
right away because otherwise we'll kind

1206
00:52:33,410 --> 00:52:31,440
of grow throughout the day we hear

1207
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:33,420
people that are you know addicted to

1208
00:52:37,460 --> 00:52:36,089
pornography or you know sex addicts or

1209
00:52:40,819 --> 00:52:37,470
whatever you wanted how everyone to

1210
00:52:43,579 --> 00:52:40,829
characterize it it grows on you and the

1211
00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:43,589
addiction of the occult you start out

1212
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:45,420
with something innocent like I did you

1213
00:52:50,780 --> 00:52:48,569
know let's look at Zener cards ESP cards

1214
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,790
or you know whatever and then you get

1215
00:52:54,349 --> 00:52:52,319
into haunted houses and getting all

1216
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,359
these other things and before you know

1217
00:52:58,670 --> 00:52:56,880
it your pedestal like witchcraft and

1218
00:53:00,530 --> 00:52:58,680
then once you're into witchcraft and in

1219
00:53:03,170 --> 00:53:00,540
my case getting back to my personal

1220
00:53:05,780 --> 00:53:03,180
story I was led by the guy who ran the

1221
00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:05,790
occult bookstore in the community i was

1222
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:07,619
in to look into the church of satan and

1223
00:53:10,970 --> 00:53:09,480
of course at the time i said oh i don't

1224
00:53:12,260 --> 00:53:10,980
believe in that stuff which is don't

1225
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:12,270
even believe in the devil because that's

1226
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:14,130
typically a witch will tell you that a

1227
00:53:17,329 --> 00:53:15,480
white which will say oh we don't even

1228
00:53:19,130 --> 00:53:17,339
believe in the devil the Christians made

1229
00:53:20,930 --> 00:53:19,140
up the devil which is of course not true

1230
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:20,940
because the Devils in the Old Testament

1231
00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:25,050
but anyway you know and and so I joined

1232
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:27,300
an adjoining Church of Satan because

1233
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:29,849
stuff in the Satanic Bible made sense to

1234
00:53:35,870 --> 00:53:32,609
me because my mind was gradually being

1235
00:53:38,210 --> 00:53:35,880
corrupted hmm I was getting in my mind

1236
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:38,220
was being increasingly darkened the more

1237
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:40,410
I stepped into these things the further

1238
00:53:44,540 --> 00:53:42,089
away I was getting from the light of

1239
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:44,550
Christ and the closer I was getting to

1240
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:47,640
this dark you know addictive deception

1241
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:50,670
and so I went through you know

1242
00:53:56,170 --> 00:53:53,130
everything from Freemasonry I went in to

1243
00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:56,180
us the Church of Satan into hardcore

1244
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:00,540
Satanism and finally you know what

1245
00:54:06,140 --> 00:54:03,420
happened was I was getting pretty

1246
00:54:08,569 --> 00:54:06,150
desperate as I mentioned you know a few

1247
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:08,579
minutes ago because I knew eventually I

1248
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:09,930
was getting up doing something really

1249
00:54:16,370 --> 00:54:12,510
nasty and I'd end up you know behind

1250
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:16,380
bars or something and every year I had

1251
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:18,300
written a check to the Church of Satan

1252
00:54:24,290 --> 00:54:20,700
to pay my dues you know like any other

1253
00:54:26,839 --> 00:54:24,300
organization and I got the check back

1254
00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:26,849
from the bank in San Francisco which is

1255
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:28,500
where the true Satan was at that time

1256
00:54:34,910 --> 00:54:32,910
and some lady from the bank had written

1257
00:54:38,030 --> 00:54:34,920
on the check I'll be praying for you in

1258
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:38,040
Jesus name and of course you know at the

1259
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:39,839
time I just laughed I thought this is

1260
00:54:41,770 --> 00:54:40,490
stupid

1261
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:41,780
you know this lady is some ignorant

1262
00:54:45,130 --> 00:54:43,490
born-again Christian know what does she

1263
00:54:47,010 --> 00:54:45,140
know and I through the check in the

1264
00:54:49,570 --> 00:54:47,020
drawer and forgot about it well anyway

1265
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:49,580
literally within a day or two something

1266
00:54:55,810 --> 00:54:53,090
just knocked me on my face I mean I I

1267
00:54:59,650 --> 00:54:55,820
was shattered I lost all my occult power

1268
00:55:03,550 --> 00:54:59,660
I lost all my vampiric power I lost my

1269
00:55:05,650 --> 00:55:03,560
job you know I mean I I felt sick as a

1270
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:05,660
dog it's like I was going through

1271
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:07,850
withdrawal from the occult I was like

1272
00:55:13,570 --> 00:55:10,850
it's like you know the almighty the Most

1273
00:55:17,470 --> 00:55:13,580
High had picked me up and throw me into

1274
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:17,480
spiritual rehab without even asking and

1275
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:20,210
I bet you're a ticked well yeah I

1276
00:55:26,590 --> 00:55:23,570
actually you know I went into my dark

1277
00:55:28,450 --> 00:55:26,600
temple and cried out to Lucifer for a

1278
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:28,460
sign I said what's going on here you

1279
00:55:33,790 --> 00:55:31,490
know I mean I had I'd signed my soul

1280
00:55:35,590 --> 00:55:33,800
over the devil and done all these things

1281
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:35,600
and I was supposed to get all his power

1282
00:55:41,350 --> 00:55:37,369
and here I was I felt like something the

1283
00:55:44,050 --> 00:55:41,360
cat dragged in and essentially you know

1284
00:55:46,830 --> 00:55:44,060
I cried out to this to Lucifer why I

1285
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:46,840
thought was the true you know daddy and

1286
00:55:53,170 --> 00:55:50,240
the almighty came along kindly excuse me

1287
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:53,180
I'll take this call and he answered my

1288
00:55:59,650 --> 00:55:57,200
prayer and what was amazing you want to

1289
00:56:01,750 --> 00:55:59,660
talk about I'm little miracle the very

1290
00:56:03,849 --> 00:56:01,760
next day I got a phone call from these

1291
00:56:06,190 --> 00:56:03,859
two teenage girls from Chicago at this

1292
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:06,200
time i was living in milwaukee so they

1293
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:07,850
were only a little over an hour away and

1294
00:56:13,540 --> 00:56:10,250
they said we've heard about you can we

1295
00:56:14,770 --> 00:56:13,550
come up and see you and I thought what

1296
00:56:17,470 --> 00:56:14,780
you know whatever they were like

1297
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:17,480
Satanist groupies and so they came up

1298
00:56:22,930 --> 00:56:20,090
you know and when they came in to see me

1299
00:56:26,020 --> 00:56:22,940
they they had brought with them to

1300
00:56:29,740 --> 00:56:26,030
Christian comic books now think about

1301
00:56:32,050 --> 00:56:29,750
this how bizarre is it that Satanists

1302
00:56:33,849 --> 00:56:32,060
would bring me to Christian comic books

1303
00:56:35,830 --> 00:56:33,859
about the occult one is called

1304
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:35,840
spellbound and one was called angel of

1305
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:38,450
light and they said at the time we

1306
00:56:42,550 --> 00:56:39,680
wanted you to see these because they're

1307
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:42,560
so dumb you know they're funny you know

1308
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:45,170
you gotta run thank you today making fun

1309
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:46,850
of them you know what I love the

1310
00:56:51,550 --> 00:56:48,290
Doublemint yant through in the drawer

1311
00:56:54,340 --> 00:56:51,560
and forgot about him well that was what

1312
00:56:58,030 --> 00:56:54,350
that was the almighty reaching out to me

1313
00:56:59,320 --> 00:56:58,040
and I just was too prideful still even

1314
00:57:02,170 --> 00:56:59,330
though I was in the middle of this

1315
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:02,180
horrible situation I was too proud

1316
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:05,210
because the ego is where you know Satan

1317
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:08,240
camps out is in the ego hmm and I was

1318
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:10,610
too proud to admit that maybe these

1319
00:57:15,940 --> 00:57:13,250
Christians could be right so anyhow the

1320
00:57:17,590 --> 00:57:15,950
next day there is a knock on the door I

1321
00:57:21,310 --> 00:57:17,600
open the door and it's to Mormon

1322
00:57:23,620 --> 00:57:21,320
missionary standing there and there's

1323
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:23,630
lots of knocks yeah yeah this this might

1324
00:57:29,740 --> 00:57:27,170
surprise your listeners but I had been

1325
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:29,750
told a few years earlier by the Grand

1326
00:57:35,170 --> 00:57:33,170
Master druid of North America that if I

1327
00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:35,180
ever got in spiritual trouble I should

1328
00:57:41,470 --> 00:57:37,430
join the Mormon Church now how's that

1329
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:41,480
for an endorsement Grand Master druid of

1330
00:57:45,790 --> 00:57:43,010
North America joining the Mormon Church

1331
00:57:50,290 --> 00:57:45,800
and this guy had actually been a Mormon

1332
00:57:52,990 --> 00:57:50,300
Bishop you know and anyway so I thought

1333
00:57:54,850 --> 00:57:53,000
this is the sign we're supposed to join

1334
00:57:56,860 --> 00:57:54,860
the Mormon Church because this this

1335
00:57:59,200 --> 00:57:56,870
druid guy had told me that the guided

1336
00:58:03,010 --> 00:57:59,210
fount of the Mormon Church was a druid

1337
00:58:05,110 --> 00:58:03,020
and Anna sorcerer and that he designed

1338
00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:05,120
the Mormon Church d a place where where

1339
00:58:11,380 --> 00:58:08,870
people like me could hang out not true

1340
00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:11,390
did you fall actually later on after i

1341
00:58:16,530 --> 00:58:13,910
got saved I went back and did the

1342
00:58:21,550 --> 00:58:16,540
research and there is a part of me a

1343
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:21,560
Mormon historian a PhD in history used

1344
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:22,880
to be a professor at brigham young

1345
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:26,240
university until they fired him anyway

1346
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:27,920
and he wrote a book called early

1347
00:58:33,220 --> 00:58:30,050
Mormonism in the magic world view this

1348
00:58:35,530 --> 00:58:33,230
is back in 1987 and in that book he

1349
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:35,540
documents how Joseph Smith was the

1350
00:58:41,110 --> 00:58:38,480
founder of the Mormon Church practiced a

1351
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:41,120
occult he did he did like you know

1352
00:58:45,850 --> 00:58:44,000
occult rituals and cemeteries he in fact

1353
00:58:48,460 --> 00:58:45,860
you know right up to the day of his

1354
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:48,470
death when he was shot by a mob in

1355
00:58:53,470 --> 00:58:52,370
Carthage Illinois and in 1844 when they

1356
00:58:56,260 --> 00:58:53,480
when they you know went through his

1357
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,270
personal effects on his body at the you

1358
00:59:01,150 --> 00:58:58,880
know jail or whatever they found that he

1359
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:01,160
had an occult talisman a Jupiter

1360
00:59:06,779 --> 00:59:03,110
talisman in his pocket which like is a

1361
00:59:10,289 --> 00:59:06,789
magical charm fascinating alright soon

1362
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:10,299
power over women well we'll talk more

1363
00:59:15,479 --> 00:59:13,089
about your personal journey in just a

1364
00:59:17,779 --> 00:59:15,489
few moments we'll take a take a breather

1365
00:59:20,249 --> 00:59:17,789
here and we'll be back with more

1366
00:59:22,829 --> 00:59:20,259
vampires and werewolves talk on this

1367
00:59:25,229 --> 00:59:22,839
halloween special of epic voyages here

1368
00:59:28,439 --> 00:59:25,239
on the inception radio network epic

1369
00:59:30,809 --> 00:59:28,449
voyages special Halloween show I'm

1370
00:59:33,689 --> 00:59:30,819
Whitney would stir here with maverick

1371
00:59:36,359 --> 00:59:33,699
hello maverick hello however you go guys

1372
00:59:38,999 --> 00:59:36,369
we're continuing our discussion tonight

1373
00:59:41,339 --> 00:59:39,009
about vampires and werewolves very

1374
00:59:46,019 --> 00:59:41,349
Halloween fitting and we're talking with

1375
00:59:47,939 --> 00:59:46,029
our guest bill snugglin and bill if you

1376
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:47,949
haven't been listening to the first hour

1377
00:59:53,219 --> 00:59:50,410
of the show bill was a vampire let's

1378
00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:53,229
just cut to the chase there and we're

1379
00:59:58,229 --> 00:59:55,569
just diving in with the gory details so

1380
01:00:01,919 --> 00:59:58,239
to speak and bill was telling us about

1381
01:00:03,809 --> 01:00:01,929
his spiritual journey and what beliefs

1382
01:00:06,359 --> 01:00:03,819
he embraced on to where he is today

1383
01:00:09,689 --> 01:00:06,369
today is a Christian he's no longer a

1384
01:00:13,469 --> 01:00:09,699
vampire we talked about how he you

1385
01:00:16,620 --> 01:00:13,479
started kind of started it as a witch

1386
01:00:21,390 --> 01:00:16,630
wicca stuff you also join the church of

1387
01:00:22,859 --> 01:00:21,400
satan and became vampire and just any

1388
01:00:26,249 --> 01:00:22,869
other details you want to add in about

1389
01:00:28,380 --> 01:00:26,259
your journey there bill well we kind of

1390
01:00:30,149 --> 01:00:28,390
picked it off at the end there about

1391
01:00:32,729 --> 01:00:30,159
when i went through five years of being

1392
01:00:35,459 --> 01:00:32,739
in a mormon church and basically that's

1393
01:00:37,439 --> 01:00:35,469
what you know the Lord used me use that

1394
01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:37,449
to bring me to point where is reading

1395
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:40,809
the Bible and you know actually really

1396
01:00:45,419 --> 01:00:42,880
trying to figure out what's going on

1397
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:45,429
within the Bible and the Holy Spirit

1398
01:00:52,739 --> 01:00:49,839
spoke to me and essentially I ended up

1399
01:00:54,809 --> 01:00:52,749
you know understanding that there were

1400
01:00:58,759 --> 01:00:54,819
things in the Bible that were not really

1401
01:01:02,640 --> 01:00:58,769
coherent with Mormon theology and so I

1402
01:01:05,759 --> 01:01:02,650
get i ended up getting born again at the

1403
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:05,769
foot of my bed in 1984 just kneeling and

1404
01:01:09,929 --> 01:01:07,839
praying to heaven I didn't have to have

1405
01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:09,939
a minister anybody there just me in the

1406
01:01:16,829 --> 01:01:13,209
Holy Spirit and I got gloriously saved

1407
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:16,839
on jun 22nd 1984

1408
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:20,890
set free at that point from a lot of

1409
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:23,440
dark stuff which five years in the

1410
01:01:28,589 --> 01:01:25,359
Mormon Church not been able to do much

1411
01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:28,599
for and again that's basically because

1412
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:31,089
they have a different spirit there there

1413
01:01:35,549 --> 01:01:33,609
they have a different theology and a

1414
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:35,559
different thing that is really not part

1415
01:01:38,579 --> 01:01:37,089
of the Bible even though they're they're

1416
01:01:41,370 --> 01:01:38,589
good people and they appear to be

1417
01:01:43,709 --> 01:01:41,380
Christians they're not because see this

1418
01:01:46,979 --> 01:01:43,719
is what the devil does the devil creates

1419
01:01:49,769 --> 01:01:46,989
these nice white light looking things

1420
01:01:52,620 --> 01:01:49,779
like Wicca like Mormonism like

1421
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:52,630
spiritualism you know all the other isms

1422
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:54,400
that are out there and they're like

1423
01:01:58,829 --> 01:01:56,799
counterfeits and what's the point of a

1424
01:02:02,249 --> 01:01:58,839
counterfeit I just needed to address

1425
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:02,259
this thrown a counterfeit twenty-dollar

1426
01:02:08,190 --> 01:02:05,410
bill is worthless if the picture on it

1427
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:08,200
is Mickey Mouse mm-hmm you know it's got

1428
01:02:13,650 --> 01:02:10,450
to look like a real twenty-dollar bill

1429
01:02:15,989 --> 01:02:13,660
it's got to look so real that almost

1430
01:02:19,019 --> 01:02:15,999
anybody except like a Treasury agent

1431
01:02:20,670 --> 01:02:19,029
could tell nobody could tell I mean now

1432
01:02:23,009 --> 01:02:20,680
they have special dies and things they

1433
01:02:26,670 --> 01:02:23,019
can use but you know my point the same

1434
01:02:29,279 --> 01:02:26,680
way the Evil One will create these

1435
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:29,289
counterfeit religions that if you'll

1436
01:02:34,709 --> 01:02:31,599
pardon the metaphor they're like

1437
01:02:36,839 --> 01:02:34,719
spiritual rat poison I mean rat poison

1438
01:02:39,479 --> 01:02:36,849
is ninety-five percent good food and

1439
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:39,489
five percent poison because otherwise

1440
01:02:44,849 --> 01:02:41,710
the rats that are very smart won't eat

1441
01:02:49,319 --> 01:02:44,859
it in the same way things like you know

1442
01:02:52,529 --> 01:02:49,329
Mormonism and Wicca are 95% good ideas

1443
01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:52,539
and even in the case of Mormonism you

1444
01:02:58,019 --> 01:02:55,569
know idea is taken from the Bible but

1445
01:03:00,359 --> 01:02:58,029
then there's that five percent the once

1446
01:03:03,509 --> 01:03:00,369
you ingested once you take it into your

1447
01:03:06,479 --> 01:03:03,519
heart and make a steady diet of it it

1448
01:03:08,759 --> 01:03:06,489
can spiritually kill you and that's what

1449
01:03:12,209 --> 01:03:08,769
nearly happened to me but like I said I

1450
01:03:14,430 --> 01:03:12,219
started reading the Bible and and it

1451
01:03:17,339 --> 01:03:14,440
just liberated me to the point that I

1452
01:03:19,709 --> 01:03:17,349
was able to at one point finally be

1453
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:19,719
humble enough to kneel at the foot of my

1454
01:03:25,620 --> 01:03:23,170
bed and and pray a prayer and ask the

1455
01:03:28,739 --> 01:03:25,630
Lord to save me for my sins and be the

1456
01:03:29,609 --> 01:03:28,749
Lord of my life in a dad moment yahushua

1457
01:03:32,099 --> 01:03:29,619
Jesus came

1458
01:03:35,730 --> 01:03:32,109
into my heart and kicked the evil one

1459
01:03:37,710 --> 01:03:35,740
out and you know now I did have to go

1460
01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:37,720
through some subsequent prayers from

1461
01:03:42,749 --> 01:03:40,630
minister to have some of the demons

1462
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:42,759
kicked out of me but that was sort of

1463
01:03:47,069 --> 01:03:44,799
just a formality i mean i was in the

1464
01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:47,079
kingdom of darkness and in one moment

1465
01:03:50,609 --> 01:03:49,390
after praying i was translated and

1466
01:03:52,769 --> 01:03:50,619
that's the word that's used in the Bible

1467
01:03:55,410 --> 01:03:52,779
from the kingdom of darkness into the

1468
01:03:57,420 --> 01:03:55,420
kingdom of light and then about a year

1469
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:57,430
later the Lord called me in the ministry

1470
01:04:02,910 --> 01:03:58,960
and I've been basically ministering

1471
01:04:06,329 --> 01:04:02,920
since 1986 Wow quite a transition there

1472
01:04:09,660 --> 01:04:06,339
it's amazing from one extreme to the

1473
01:04:11,339 --> 01:04:09,670
other talk about that yeah one thing

1474
01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:11,349
that I thought was rather fascinating

1475
01:04:15,989 --> 01:04:13,569
was I through all this time as a

1476
01:04:19,859 --> 01:04:15,999
Satanist even you were still a Catholic

1477
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:19,869
priest is that right well for most of

1478
01:04:25,049 --> 01:04:22,960
that same period yes yes I kind of lay a

1479
01:04:26,220 --> 01:04:25,059
slit aside that when i became a mormon

1480
01:04:28,140 --> 01:04:26,230
because the Mormons have their own

1481
01:04:30,299 --> 01:04:28,150
priesthood you know they call it the

1482
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:30,309
Holy Melchizedek Priesthood but yeah I

1483
01:04:38,190 --> 01:04:33,450
had been ordained the Catholic priest in

1484
01:04:40,349 --> 01:04:38,200
1976 in the old Roman Rite and basically

1485
01:04:43,380 --> 01:04:40,359
I was yeah I was doing that along with

1486
01:04:44,910 --> 01:04:43,390
all the other things and people like

1487
01:04:47,309 --> 01:04:44,920
scratch their heads and think how could

1488
01:04:49,019 --> 01:04:47,319
anybody be involved in all these

1489
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:49,029
different things and not find something

1490
01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:50,799
some goody there yeah how could you be a

1491
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:52,809
Satanist and a vampire and a Catholic

1492
01:04:57,239 --> 01:04:54,130
priests at the same time how does that

1493
01:04:58,529 --> 01:04:57,249
work well the funny thing is is that you

1494
01:05:01,440 --> 01:04:58,539
know if you look at the history of

1495
01:05:04,499 --> 01:05:01,450
Satanism almost all the high level Satan

1496
01:05:06,210 --> 01:05:04,509
is for Catholic priest hmm even Anton

1497
01:05:07,729 --> 01:05:06,220
LaVey this is not well known but the guy

1498
01:05:11,249 --> 01:05:07,739
who was the head of the Church of Satan

1499
01:05:15,210 --> 01:05:11,259
he actually went to a Greek Orthodox

1500
01:05:19,319 --> 01:05:15,220
Bishop and got consecrated a priest and

1501
01:05:21,479 --> 01:05:19,329
a bishop by this Orthodox Bishop uh so

1502
01:05:24,509 --> 01:05:21,489
he could function more effectively as a

1503
01:05:26,489 --> 01:05:24,519
satanic high priest now that's not well

1504
01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:26,499
known but it is an historical fact and

1505
01:05:32,700 --> 01:05:29,470
in the same way the greatest best known

1506
01:05:36,059 --> 01:05:32,710
black magician of the 19th century who

1507
01:05:39,479 --> 01:05:36,069
went by the pen-name elife is Levi his

1508
01:05:41,940 --> 01:05:39,489
real name was a bale Vosloo cole slaw he

1509
01:05:43,220 --> 01:05:41,950
was a French priest a French Catholic

1510
01:05:46,700 --> 01:05:43,230
priest

1511
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:46,710
so even though it seems like this

1512
01:05:51,230 --> 01:05:49,050
doesn't really make sense you know

1513
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:51,240
they're there is this correlation there

1514
01:05:56,180 --> 01:05:54,450
because quite often you know the whole

1515
01:05:58,700 --> 01:05:56,190
idea of Satanism is you have to have a

1516
01:06:02,300 --> 01:05:58,710
black mass and you can't have a mass

1517
01:06:05,090 --> 01:06:02,310
without having a priest you know and I

1518
01:06:07,849 --> 01:06:05,100
mean I know it sounds very weird but

1519
01:06:10,910 --> 01:06:07,859
that's how it works and so what's the

1520
01:06:15,140 --> 01:06:10,920
black mass well the black mass is

1521
01:06:18,050 --> 01:06:15,150
basically an inversion of the Catholic

1522
01:06:21,380 --> 01:06:18,060
Mass and in there's many different

1523
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:21,390
versions of it you know but basically

1524
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:24,210
it's it's you you call on the devil

1525
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:26,160
instead of you know the almighty of

1526
01:06:31,580 --> 01:06:29,369
course and and naked woman is used as

1527
01:06:33,980 --> 01:06:31,590
the altar and it's full of all kinds of

1528
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:33,990
blasphemous stuff and in hardcore

1529
01:06:40,070 --> 01:06:36,450
Satanism it frequently involves either

1530
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:40,080
you know child abuse or animal sacrifice

1531
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:42,330
or even you know yeah forbid human

1532
01:06:47,330 --> 01:06:45,359
sacrifices but that stuff that I

1533
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:47,340
fortunately was pulled out of there by

1534
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:50,310
the Holy Spirit before I ever got that

1535
01:06:58,220 --> 01:06:55,770
deep and in any event you know so the

1536
01:07:01,070 --> 01:06:58,230
idea what I let least explain one of the

1537
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:01,080
things see in the Catholic Church they

1538
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:03,050
have this doctrine it's called

1539
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:05,520
transubstantiation in real presence and

1540
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:08,850
the idea being that that the quote

1541
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:12,330
unquote Jesus lives in this host this

1542
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,160
little wafer you know looks like a

1543
01:07:20,750 --> 01:07:16,880
little white circle of bread yeah and so

1544
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:20,760
the the Satanists think okay if I can

1545
01:07:27,710 --> 01:07:24,090
get these hosts and if I abuse the host

1546
01:07:30,410 --> 01:07:27,720
it's like I'm torturing Christ so they

1547
01:07:32,660 --> 01:07:30,420
they thought oh that's why I don't even

1548
01:07:34,340 --> 01:07:32,670
understand this but historically back in

1549
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:34,350
the Middle Ages they started to have to

1550
01:07:40,310 --> 01:07:37,890
have locks on the tabernacle in Catholic

1551
01:07:42,740 --> 01:07:40,320
churches because Satanists would break

1552
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:42,750
in and steal the hosts these little

1553
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:45,210
communion wafers and one off of them and

1554
01:07:49,340 --> 01:07:47,490
use them for their rituals and they

1555
01:07:51,020 --> 01:07:49,350
would do like they'd stamp on them or

1556
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:51,030
urinate on them or whatever and by doing

1557
01:07:55,340 --> 01:07:52,170
that they would think that they would

1558
01:07:55,770 --> 01:07:55,350
they were you know somehow abusing the

1559
01:07:58,500 --> 01:07:55,780
massage

1560
01:08:01,350 --> 01:07:58,510
well anyway you know I mean it's this is

1561
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:01,360
all kind of dark superstitious junk well

1562
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:03,610
anyhow somewhere in the in the Middle

1563
01:08:07,020 --> 01:08:05,200
Ages the fifteen and sixteen hundreds

1564
01:08:09,150 --> 01:08:07,030
they got the idea well let's just let's

1565
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:09,160
just get Catholic priests to do it so

1566
01:08:13,590 --> 01:08:10,510
we'll have our own priest he want to

1567
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:13,600
break down tabernacle doors anymore and

1568
01:08:19,289 --> 01:08:16,000
so they they'd find a priest it could be

1569
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:19,299
corrupted and they dry min and and as we

1570
01:08:24,690 --> 01:08:22,960
know historically today you know there's

1571
01:08:26,130 --> 01:08:24,700
a lot of corrupt priests out their

1572
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:26,140
priests that are involved in you know

1573
01:08:30,300 --> 01:08:28,330
pedophilia and and all the horrible

1574
01:08:34,770 --> 01:08:30,310
things that have emerged in the last 20

1575
01:08:38,849 --> 01:08:34,780
years or so and the devil is really good

1576
01:08:41,730 --> 01:08:38,859
at playing on people's vices and playing

1577
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:41,740
on people's weaknesses and so there

1578
01:08:45,599 --> 01:08:44,290
began to be this fusion between now mind

1579
01:08:48,420 --> 01:08:45,609
you I'm certainly not saying that all

1580
01:08:50,130 --> 01:08:48,430
Catholic priests are pedophiles or the

1581
01:08:52,260 --> 01:08:50,140
all Catholic priests are Satanists know

1582
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:52,270
that I'm saying that some of them are

1583
01:08:57,780 --> 01:08:55,120
and I was such a one you know because I

1584
01:09:01,950 --> 01:08:57,790
it was like you know two sides of the

1585
01:09:07,140 --> 01:09:01,960
same coin hmm and when you were a

1586
01:09:09,539 --> 01:09:07,150
vampire you would do the communion which

1587
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:09,549
in the Catholic belief would turn the

1588
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:11,650
the wafer into the body of Jesus and the

1589
01:09:15,660 --> 01:09:13,810
blood and then the wine into the blood

1590
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:15,670
of Jesus and so you would do that as

1591
01:09:20,460 --> 01:09:18,130
part of your your blood diet so that you

1592
01:09:22,380 --> 01:09:20,470
could drink blood yes I wasn't sure if

1593
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,390
you know you'd want to get into that but

1594
01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:24,640
yeah that's exactly what I did and that

1595
01:09:30,450 --> 01:09:27,310
way because he in in Roman Catholic

1596
01:09:33,599 --> 01:09:30,460
theology the idea is that within the the

1597
01:09:36,809 --> 01:09:33,609
cup and the wafer is the entire body

1598
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:36,819
blood soul and divinity of yahushua of

1599
01:09:42,809 --> 01:09:40,930
jesus and so you know by taking that

1600
01:09:44,670 --> 01:09:42,819
you're in effect drinking however many

1601
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:44,680
pints of blood or in a human being and

1602
01:09:50,340 --> 01:09:48,010
that was how for a while at least I was

1603
01:09:53,010 --> 01:09:50,350
able to fulfill my cravings for blood

1604
01:09:55,290 --> 01:09:53,020
now was it was it wine that you drank or

1605
01:09:57,900 --> 01:09:55,300
did actually born in to blow well one

1606
01:09:59,490 --> 01:09:57,910
time and I think if you've read some of

1607
01:10:01,140 --> 01:09:59,500
the books you know about this one time I

1608
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:01,150
actually had an occasion when I was

1609
01:10:07,540 --> 01:10:03,920
doing a liturgy amass

1610
01:10:10,570 --> 01:10:07,550
and it literally turned into blood the

1611
01:10:12,729 --> 01:10:10,580
the the wine did and there were three

1612
01:10:15,070 --> 01:10:12,739
witnesses there that saw this and I

1613
01:10:17,169 --> 01:10:15,080
actually took some of it and gave it to

1614
01:10:19,630 --> 01:10:17,179
a friend of mine who was a chemist and

1615
01:10:21,189 --> 01:10:19,640
he sent it off to a lab and interesting

1616
01:10:24,130 --> 01:10:21,199
enough when they sent back the report

1617
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:24,140
they said it was human blood but of a

1618
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:26,210
type absolutely unknown it wasn't like

1619
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:28,730
oh or B or a B or whatever it was like

1620
01:10:33,250 --> 01:10:31,610
human blood that of a type unknown and

1621
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:33,260
this was again in the 70s I mean it

1622
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:35,449
didn't have like you know DNA testing

1623
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:38,239
like we have more recently so that was

1624
01:10:44,020 --> 01:10:40,730
all I could do but yes I I had a few

1625
01:10:46,900 --> 01:10:44,030
dark miracles like that happen in the

1626
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:46,910
course of my career and that's what kind

1627
01:10:54,669 --> 01:10:52,370
of keeps you going hmm Wow so I like the

1628
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:54,679
part in the in your book romancing death

1629
01:10:58,030 --> 01:10:56,480
where you talk about your vampire stuff

1630
01:11:01,000 --> 01:10:58,040
and you talk about Twilight and and

1631
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:01,010
things that you talked about how you

1632
01:11:05,890 --> 01:11:02,690
were able to justify having so many

1633
01:11:07,870 --> 01:11:05,900
different allegiances at once was that a

1634
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:07,880
spiritual guide that you had been

1635
01:11:11,890 --> 01:11:09,290
consulting because you were also a

1636
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:11,900
medium told you that they were like

1637
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:14,449
blades of a grass and in a field

1638
01:11:18,990 --> 01:11:16,010
different you see the different blades

1639
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:19,000
but they all have the same route mm-hmm

1640
01:11:24,189 --> 01:11:22,400
and I have to say that well thats that

1641
01:11:26,169 --> 01:11:24,199
guide probably was telling you the truth

1642
01:11:28,209 --> 01:11:26,179
on that one because the Satanism stuff

1643
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:28,219
and all that stuff has the same route

1644
01:11:32,979 --> 01:11:30,770
although it may have different different

1645
01:11:35,290 --> 01:11:32,989
blade that all is stemming from the same

1646
01:11:37,150 --> 01:11:35,300
thing and that's how they were like how

1647
01:11:39,610 --> 01:11:37,160
the devil was ok with you doing all of

1648
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:39,620
that is I just found that quite

1649
01:11:43,300 --> 01:11:41,210
fascinating that they are actually kind

1650
01:11:44,740 --> 01:11:43,310
of told you the truth well yeah and

1651
01:11:48,189 --> 01:11:44,750
that's the thing the devil will tell you

1652
01:11:51,550 --> 01:11:48,199
nine truths to slide one lie across the

1653
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:51,560
plate the same fashion and that's very

1654
01:11:57,070 --> 01:11:54,320
perceptive remark you know because

1655
01:11:59,860 --> 01:11:57,080
they're like all streams from the same

1656
01:12:01,540 --> 01:11:59,870
satanic river it just they'll package

1657
01:12:04,209 --> 01:12:01,550
things differently you know because the

1658
01:12:06,820 --> 01:12:04,219
devil is subtle and he knows okay this

1659
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:06,830
person might like this kind of thing and

1660
01:12:10,300 --> 01:12:08,570
this person might like Wicca and this

1661
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:10,310
person might like Freemasonry and

1662
01:12:15,310 --> 01:12:13,010
whatever you know and in doing so you

1663
01:12:17,290 --> 01:12:15,320
know he has like this smorgasbord of

1664
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:17,300
things to detract

1665
01:12:23,290 --> 01:12:19,730
distract people from the truth of the

1666
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:23,300
Bible mm-hmm tell me about when you were

1667
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:27,650
a witch and you were a medium a spirit

1668
01:12:35,020 --> 01:12:31,760
guide how they guided you into different

1669
01:12:38,799 --> 01:12:35,030
things and and you thought that they

1670
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:38,809
were they were of the light mm-hmm well

1671
01:12:43,780 --> 01:12:41,210
yeah I was ordained in 1972 to be a

1672
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:43,790
spirit spiritualist or Spiritist medium

1673
01:12:51,399 --> 01:12:48,320
and basically the these were these

1674
01:12:54,100 --> 01:12:51,409
beings that would come and and

1675
01:12:57,819 --> 01:12:54,110
supposedly they were see we believed in

1676
01:13:00,430 --> 01:12:57,829
reincarnation spiritualists do and sort

1677
01:13:02,049 --> 01:13:00,440
of witches for that matter so the idea

1678
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:02,059
is these were beings that had gone

1679
01:13:07,330 --> 01:13:04,130
through many lifetimes and they were

1680
01:13:09,299 --> 01:13:07,340
like ascended master stayed they kind of

1681
01:13:12,700 --> 01:13:09,309
got to the point they shuffled off the

1682
01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:12,710
the having need to have a body and they

1683
01:13:17,709 --> 01:13:15,409
were just pure beings of light and they

1684
01:13:19,810 --> 01:13:17,719
were very wise and they were of her

1685
01:13:21,850 --> 01:13:19,820
supposedly servants of the ultimate

1686
01:13:23,530 --> 01:13:21,860
light but of course we weren't allowed

1687
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:23,540
to know what that ultimate light was and

1688
01:13:28,660 --> 01:13:25,489
people forget in the midst of all this

1689
01:13:31,299 --> 01:13:28,670
that Lucifer means light bringer you

1690
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:31,309
know Light Bearer so and in second

1691
01:13:37,959 --> 01:13:34,610
Corinthians 11 14 it says and no wonder

1692
01:13:40,959 --> 01:13:37,969
for satan himself masquerades as an

1693
01:13:43,689 --> 01:13:40,969
angel of light it is not surprising then

1694
01:13:46,540 --> 01:13:43,699
if his servants also masquerade as

1695
01:13:49,089 --> 01:13:46,550
servants of righteousness therein will

1696
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:49,099
be what their actions deserve so there

1697
01:13:53,819 --> 01:13:50,690
masquerading as a light in there

1698
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:53,829
masquerading as these good people and

1699
01:14:00,609 --> 01:13:57,199
it's just so messed up well yeah it is

1700
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:00,619
and again because the devil understands

1701
01:14:04,030 --> 01:14:02,210
that ninety-nine percent of the people

1702
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:04,040
out there are not going to fall into

1703
01:14:10,060 --> 01:14:07,760
something that's manifestly evil so he's

1704
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:10,070
going to present these things in a very

1705
01:14:15,939 --> 01:14:13,130
benign positive light I mean if you were

1706
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:15,949
to go into a into a spiritualist church

1707
01:14:19,810 --> 01:14:17,690
service for examples and we're talking

1708
01:14:21,939 --> 01:14:19,820
about that they sing all these

1709
01:14:24,069 --> 01:14:21,949
old-fashioned Christian hymns about the

1710
01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:24,079
old rugged cross and walking in the

1711
01:14:29,589 --> 01:14:27,110
garden an amazing grace and all this you

1712
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:29,599
know and it's it's like kind of being in

1713
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:31,370
a Protestant church except

1714
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:33,050
the preacher if you will if you want to

1715
01:14:38,830 --> 01:14:35,210
call them that gets up and he goes into

1716
01:14:40,150 --> 01:14:38,840
a trance and then some spirit speaks

1717
01:14:42,820 --> 01:14:40,160
through and what what people need to

1718
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:42,830
understand when they see these like

1719
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:45,440
mediums or trance channelers like on

1720
01:14:51,310 --> 01:14:49,010
television or in various settings you

1721
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:51,320
know that what they're what these people

1722
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:53,360
have speaking through them are actually

1723
01:15:00,250 --> 01:14:55,810
demons there what the Bible calls

1724
01:15:02,650 --> 01:15:00,260
familiar spirits and they are not your

1725
01:15:04,060 --> 01:15:02,660
friend and again like we mentioned a

1726
01:15:08,140 --> 01:15:04,070
couple minutes ago they will tell you

1727
01:15:10,540 --> 01:15:08,150
nine truths to get one lie into your

1728
01:15:13,660 --> 01:15:10,550
heart because people are deceived enough

1729
01:15:15,940 --> 01:15:13,670
to think oh well like let's say we used

1730
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:15,950
to do this we'd have a service of

1731
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:18,770
spiritualist stuff and this someone come

1732
01:15:24,940 --> 01:15:21,530
all my dear departed father you know can

1733
01:15:27,100 --> 01:15:24,950
I talk to it well of course the demons

1734
01:15:30,730 --> 01:15:27,110
are immortal beings just think about

1735
01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:30,740
this for a moment you know they they

1736
01:15:35,890 --> 01:15:34,310
know who this guy's father is you know

1737
01:15:37,570 --> 01:15:35,900
what doesn't matter what a reason heaven

1738
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:37,580
or in hell they're gonna know details

1739
01:15:42,190 --> 01:15:40,250
about this guy's life okay and they're

1740
01:15:43,690 --> 01:15:42,200
going to be able to say oh yes my son I

1741
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:43,700
remember when you fell off the bicycle

1742
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:45,290
when you were eight years old and I

1743
01:15:51,790 --> 01:15:48,170
picked you up and of course when this

1744
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:51,800
medium has the spirit sameness to this

1745
01:16:00,240 --> 01:15:55,970
individual they allow it's really my dad

1746
01:16:02,410 --> 01:16:00,250
and they start believing in the lie of

1747
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:02,420
spiritualism instead of trusting in

1748
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:05,090
Christ because these people the

1749
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:08,330
Spiritualist for example they they teach

1750
01:16:13,900 --> 01:16:11,360
that quote unquote Jesus is just another

1751
01:16:16,750 --> 01:16:13,910
ascended master he's like one of the

1752
01:16:18,580 --> 01:16:16,760
greatest ascended masters but he's no

1753
01:16:21,820 --> 01:16:18,590
better ultimately he's just slightly

1754
01:16:23,470 --> 01:16:21,830
better than say Buddha or Zoroaster or

1755
01:16:25,540 --> 01:16:23,480
whatever and I can ever go into it was

1756
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:25,550
when I was a minister going to a

1757
01:16:29,260 --> 01:16:27,440
spiritualist camp in the middle of

1758
01:16:32,050 --> 01:16:29,270
indiana of all places right in a

1759
01:16:34,540 --> 01:16:32,060
heartland of america and they had this

1760
01:16:37,030 --> 01:16:34,550
big monument where they had like busts

1761
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:37,040
it was like a park out new sunshine you

1762
01:16:43,570 --> 01:16:41,210
know like about 20 or 25 bus of great

1763
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:43,580
spiritual figures you know lout zoo

1764
01:16:48,290 --> 01:16:45,120
confucius buddha

1765
01:16:50,930 --> 01:16:48,300
you know Hamid whatever and in the

1766
01:16:54,890 --> 01:16:50,940
middle was this slightly larger picture

1767
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:54,900
of quote-unquote Jesus and but yet he is

1768
01:17:01,520 --> 01:16:58,170
more than an ascended master he is the

1769
01:17:03,410 --> 01:17:01,530
almighty come in the flesh and the trick

1770
01:17:06,530 --> 01:17:03,420
that we were taught as spiritualist now

1771
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:06,540
listen to this how facile this is we

1772
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:08,490
were told okay when a spirit comes to

1773
01:17:13,790 --> 01:17:10,650
you and you're a medium you asked that

1774
01:17:16,490 --> 01:17:13,800
spirit do you stand in the light yes the

1775
01:17:21,020 --> 01:17:16,500
spirit says yes then oh it's a good

1776
01:17:22,850 --> 01:17:21,030
spirit but whoever wrote that rule never

1777
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:22,860
read the passage you just quoted out of

1778
01:17:26,780 --> 01:17:24,900
Corinthians you know that the Satan

1779
01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:26,790
comes as an angel of light and at

1780
01:17:33,620 --> 01:17:29,940
Lucifer and you know as a f-14 is the

1781
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:33,630
Light Bearer so you know just to ask do

1782
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:35,250
you stand and light that doesn't prove

1783
01:17:39,710 --> 01:17:36,960
anything what do you need if you have a

1784
01:17:42,890 --> 01:17:39,720
spirit come to you you know you need to

1785
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:42,900
ask that spirit who is Yeshua who is

1786
01:17:49,700 --> 01:17:46,410
Jesus Christ to you and if the spirit

1787
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:49,710
doesn't say he is the almighty creator

1788
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:52,560
of the universe come in the flesh you

1789
01:17:59,780 --> 01:17:55,530
know then command it to leave in the

1790
01:18:01,730 --> 01:17:59,790
name of Yeshua so you know and if you

1791
01:18:03,650 --> 01:18:01,740
say Jesus that's fine you know but we

1792
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:03,660
prefer to say yahushua are you sure

1793
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:07,010
because it's Hebrew and the thing is is

1794
01:18:11,870 --> 01:18:09,840
that you know because people again it

1795
01:18:15,500 --> 01:18:11,880
Hosea 46 says my people are destroyed

1796
01:18:17,780 --> 01:18:15,510
for lack of knowledge and people wander

1797
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:17,790
into these things because they appear to

1798
01:18:23,930 --> 01:18:22,050
be white light wonderfulness goodness

1799
01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:23,940
you know like believe it or not the

1800
01:18:29,420 --> 01:18:25,920
woman in whose home we would host these

1801
01:18:32,330 --> 01:18:29,430
meetings was the wife of a professor of

1802
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:32,340
theology at a lutheran seminary wow

1803
01:18:39,290 --> 01:18:36,320
that's how easily people can be deceived

1804
01:18:42,290 --> 01:18:39,300
because they think oh this is all nice

1805
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:42,300
and we sing hymns and you know and they

1806
01:18:46,820 --> 01:18:45,330
quote just enough Bible to make it seem

1807
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:46,830
like it's good but underneath the

1808
01:18:54,500 --> 01:18:50,490
surface it's very dark mmm he's a liar

1809
01:18:57,260 --> 01:18:54,510
and the father of lies yes Oh so I

1810
01:18:58,940 --> 01:18:57,270
thought it was quite interesting that in

1811
01:19:02,300 --> 01:18:58,950
your book you also talked about

1812
01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:02,310
you got a degree a Catholic your degree

1813
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:03,900
in your Catholic school without even

1814
01:19:08,690 --> 01:19:06,480
ever happening to open a Bible in it and

1815
01:19:11,150 --> 01:19:08,700
that it was when you finally got in

1816
01:19:12,380 --> 01:19:11,160
there and read the Bible at the finally

1817
01:19:15,290 --> 01:19:12,390
have you gone through all this stuff is

1818
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:15,300
when you actually when it actually hit

1819
01:19:19,310 --> 01:19:17,610
and when the truth actually came through

1820
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:19,320
is that right you never actually read

1821
01:19:23,900 --> 01:19:22,080
the whole Bible I i I'll tell you one

1822
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:23,910
thing I mean I never read much of the

1823
01:19:28,940 --> 01:19:25,410
Bible I mean in the in the Catholic

1824
01:19:30,740 --> 01:19:28,950
Church to be fair they then in the mass

1825
01:19:33,500 --> 01:19:30,750
they have a place for a little bit of

1826
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:33,510
the epistles of Paul or read and then a

1827
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:35,250
little bit of the gospel is red so you

1828
01:19:39,860 --> 01:19:37,920
do get the gospel but you don't get that

1829
01:19:43,460 --> 01:19:39,870
much of it you don't get enough of it to

1830
01:19:45,770 --> 01:19:43,470
kind of you know really understand the

1831
01:19:48,590 --> 01:19:45,780
full picture because I was a smart kid

1832
01:19:51,740 --> 01:19:48,600
but you know when you're in any of these

1833
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:51,750
groups okay the Mormons the Catholics

1834
01:19:56,780 --> 01:19:53,730
whatever or the Spiritualist for that

1835
01:19:58,520 --> 01:19:56,790
matter you are never delighted when I

1836
01:20:00,590 --> 01:19:58,530
was a child we were told don't read the

1837
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:00,600
Bible you're not allowed to read the

1838
01:20:06,740 --> 01:20:02,370
Bible let the priests read the Bible and

1839
01:20:09,710 --> 01:20:06,750
in for you and so I I briefly I begged

1840
01:20:12,110 --> 01:20:09,720
my CIA when I was probably oh let me see

1841
01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:12,120
seven or eight years old I saw the Ten

1842
01:20:17,150 --> 01:20:13,860
Commandments in the theater you know

1843
01:20:19,010 --> 01:20:17,160
child nest in the whole deal and I went

1844
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:19,020
on and I begged my father I gotta have a

1845
01:20:23,090 --> 01:20:21,330
Bible this is why do you want a Bible

1846
01:20:25,070 --> 01:20:23,100
you know we had a big family Bible it

1847
01:20:27,740 --> 01:20:25,080
SAT there was like this Janoris Bible

1848
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:27,750
that was covered in dust never opened it

1849
01:20:31,940 --> 01:20:29,610
just looked good and then when someone

1850
01:20:33,530 --> 01:20:31,950
would get married or get baptized or die

1851
01:20:36,140 --> 01:20:33,540
we'd write their name it that was the

1852
01:20:38,540 --> 01:20:36,150
only really reason it was there and so

1853
01:20:40,190 --> 01:20:38,550
we got me a a Monsignor Knox

1854
01:20:41,780 --> 01:20:40,200
confraternity of christian doctrine

1855
01:20:44,980 --> 01:20:41,790
Bible I can still see the thing in my

1856
01:20:47,660 --> 01:20:44,990
mind and I started reading in Genesis

1857
01:20:49,190 --> 01:20:47,670
but once I got into Exodus I started

1858
01:20:52,250 --> 01:20:49,200
getting bogged down I was only 10 years

1859
01:20:55,460 --> 01:20:52,260
old I wanted to explain it to me and

1860
01:20:59,240 --> 01:20:55,470
numbers yeah y al Libi ghats everything

1861
01:21:00,890 --> 01:20:59,250
so anyway that was it and even getting

1862
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:00,900
like you mentioned a master's degree in

1863
01:21:05,900 --> 01:21:03,360
theology we never had to read the Bible

1864
01:21:09,710 --> 01:21:05,910
reread books about the Bible is so crazy

1865
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:09,720
to me Kierkegaard reread born calm we

1866
01:21:13,790 --> 01:21:11,850
read you know Karl Rahner

1867
01:21:15,740 --> 01:21:13,800
all these theologians and Jesuits and

1868
01:21:18,380 --> 01:21:15,750
stuff like that but we never actually

1869
01:21:22,100 --> 01:21:18,390
went to the source text except for brief

1870
01:21:24,350 --> 01:21:22,110
little proof text you know and and so as

1871
01:21:26,090 --> 01:21:24,360
a result it wasn't until ironically i

1872
01:21:28,490 --> 01:21:26,100
joined the mormon church at at least

1873
01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:28,500
they got me reading the bible because we

1874
01:21:32,630 --> 01:21:30,450
were supposed to there was a five-year

1875
01:21:34,190 --> 01:21:32,640
plan where you know one year you read

1876
01:21:36,110 --> 01:21:34,200
the Old Testament the next year you read

1877
01:21:37,940 --> 01:21:36,120
the New Testament the next year you read

1878
01:21:40,330 --> 01:21:37,950
the book of Mormon and so on well I

1879
01:21:43,130 --> 01:21:40,340
started with the Bible fortunately and

1880
01:21:45,650 --> 01:21:43,140
so I finally actually read the Bible and

1881
01:21:47,810 --> 01:21:45,660
that's when the holy spirit began to

1882
01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:47,820
work on me and when i read romans and

1883
01:21:52,250 --> 01:21:50,310
when i read Galatians especially in all

1884
01:21:55,580 --> 01:21:52,260
I Galatians one where you know it says

1885
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:55,590
if if I don't or an angel from heaven

1886
01:22:01,280 --> 01:21:59,280
preach any other gospel than the one

1887
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:01,290
that I for example Paul in this case

1888
01:22:09,860 --> 01:22:06,570
preach let him be accursed and that kind

1889
01:22:12,050 --> 01:22:09,870
of put a stop in my Mormonism right

1890
01:22:14,210 --> 01:22:12,060
there because of course supposedly

1891
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:14,220
Joseph Smith got the golden plates that

1892
01:22:19,820 --> 01:22:16,290
end up being the Book of Mormon from an

1893
01:22:21,860 --> 01:22:19,830
angel and yet you look at the gospel at

1894
01:22:25,550 --> 01:22:21,870
Paul preach which in first Corinthians

1895
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:25,560
15 it's basically that you know the Lord

1896
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:28,080
died on the cross rose from the dead was

1897
01:22:34,370 --> 01:22:31,530
seen of many and that's the gospel you

1898
01:22:36,020 --> 01:22:34,380
know and and none of that you know that

1899
01:22:37,850 --> 01:22:36,030
yeah the Mormons believe he rose from

1900
01:22:39,650 --> 01:22:37,860
the dead but they they add all this

1901
01:22:40,940 --> 01:22:39,660
other stuff to it they say oh you've got

1902
01:22:42,770 --> 01:22:40,950
to go to the temple and you've got to

1903
01:22:44,780 --> 01:22:42,780
where the magical underwear and you've

1904
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:44,790
got to do a journal you've got to do

1905
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:46,320
your genealogy and you've got to do your

1906
01:22:50,420 --> 01:22:48,330
home teaching and they have like four

1907
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:50,430
thousand Commandments you know you have

1908
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:52,650
to keep in order to be a good faithful

1909
01:22:58,760 --> 01:22:56,370
Mormon now we'll talk about the warm in

1910
01:23:00,350 --> 01:22:58,770
connection with the twilight series if

1911
01:23:05,420 --> 01:23:00,360
you have any questions that you want to

1912
01:23:07,010 --> 01:23:05,430
call an ask bill former vampire Joan

1913
01:23:09,050 --> 01:23:07,020
tonight's halloween special the lines

1914
01:23:12,620 --> 01:23:09,060
are open at eight eight eight nine one

1915
01:23:14,540 --> 01:23:12,630
nine 2355 your for listening this night

1916
01:23:20,150 --> 01:23:14,550
this october twenty seven eight eight

1917
01:23:21,980 --> 01:23:20,160
eight nine one nine 2355 want to talk

1918
01:23:23,540 --> 01:23:21,990
about somebody was asking the chatroom

1919
01:23:25,549 --> 01:23:23,550
how you became a witch but i would like

1920
01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:25,559
to you to talk about how you behave

1921
01:23:34,389 --> 01:23:28,169
hire people want to know like the juicy

1922
01:23:40,669 --> 01:23:37,849
basically as i mentioned you know i was

1923
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:40,679
involved in Satanism and i was told a

1924
01:23:46,309 --> 01:23:43,199
certain point and i'm going to progress

1925
01:23:48,559 --> 01:23:46,319
any further that I had it was like a

1926
01:23:50,770 --> 01:23:48,569
fork in the road so to speak and I could

1927
01:23:54,079 --> 01:23:50,780
either choose to be a lycanthrope a

1928
01:23:56,659 --> 01:23:54,089
shape-shifter like a werewolf or I could

1929
01:23:58,909 --> 01:23:56,669
choose to be a vampire and I knew

1930
01:24:02,509 --> 01:23:58,919
someone at the time who was a

1931
01:24:06,559 --> 01:24:02,519
lycanthrope the shapeshifter and he

1932
01:24:08,209 --> 01:24:06,569
warned me that it's really painful it's

1933
01:24:09,739 --> 01:24:08,219
not something that you want to do if

1934
01:24:11,119 --> 01:24:09,749
you're faint of heart and I I'd already

1935
01:24:13,609 --> 01:24:11,129
been kind of intrigued by the whole

1936
01:24:16,189 --> 01:24:13,619
vampire thing already because it seemed

1937
01:24:17,659 --> 01:24:16,199
kind of dark and sexy whereas really you

1938
01:24:19,699 --> 01:24:17,669
know werewolves are dark but they're not

1939
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:19,709
really very sexy and they're big and

1940
01:24:23,629 --> 01:24:21,449
smelling and hairy and everything and

1941
01:24:26,179 --> 01:24:23,639
you know so I thought what the hell go

1942
01:24:28,429 --> 01:24:26,189
the route of the vampire so because of

1943
01:24:30,319 --> 01:24:28,439
that you know I don't want to do all

1944
01:24:32,270 --> 01:24:30,329
give all the details I don't want you

1945
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:32,280
know don't try this at home children you

1946
01:24:38,779 --> 01:24:34,530
know that kind of fact i will say this i

1947
01:24:43,790 --> 01:24:38,789
was given by my mentors a a concoction

1948
01:24:46,129 --> 01:24:43,800
of herbs and cocaine to use and to take

1949
01:24:47,540 --> 01:24:46,139
increasingly large and lime you want to

1950
01:24:53,809 --> 01:24:47,550
believe how much cocaine i was going

1951
01:24:57,319 --> 01:24:53,819
through and finally one night the what

1952
01:25:00,109 --> 01:24:57,329
happened was this being came to me it

1953
01:25:01,879 --> 01:25:00,119
was supposedly a vampire i really

1954
01:25:05,779 --> 01:25:01,889
believe now it was a fallen angel in

1955
01:25:08,509 --> 01:25:05,789
retrospect not a vampire and he sliced

1956
01:25:11,389 --> 01:25:08,519
open his chest and i drank the blood

1957
01:25:13,250 --> 01:25:11,399
from his chest and part of my training i

1958
01:25:16,879 --> 01:25:13,260
should mention was to build this special

1959
01:25:18,679 --> 01:25:16,889
coffin and we give the details and

1960
01:25:20,509 --> 01:25:18,689
everything of it in this DVD set

1961
01:25:23,029 --> 01:25:20,519
interview with the next vampire that you

1962
01:25:26,929 --> 01:25:23,039
mentioned earlier but you know basically

1963
01:25:28,699 --> 01:25:26,939
it was designed to be by incubator so I

1964
01:25:31,129 --> 01:25:28,709
drank the blood and I crawled into this

1965
01:25:33,259 --> 01:25:31,139
coffin it was like you know my mind was

1966
01:25:37,309 --> 01:25:33,269
just going crazy and I had to basically

1967
01:25:38,900 --> 01:25:37,319
spend the whole day in this coffin and

1968
01:25:42,820 --> 01:25:38,910
emerge at sunset

1969
01:25:46,180 --> 01:25:42,830
and when I came out of that coffin my

1970
01:25:49,100 --> 01:25:46,190
DNA had been somehow transformed by this

1971
01:25:52,340 --> 01:25:49,110
demonic / viral thing that I had

1972
01:25:56,900 --> 01:25:52,350
consumed hmmm and it actually changed

1973
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:56,910
the Rh factor of my blood that's pretty

1974
01:26:06,650 --> 01:26:01,440
bizarre but it did so anyway uh that's

1975
01:26:09,140 --> 01:26:06,660
how it was done and so and you slept in

1976
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:09,150
the coffin every night well no that was

1977
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:10,050
a little that would be a little

1978
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,050
uncomfortable oh it's during the day cuz

1979
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:15,360
you're out at night well you slept in

1980
01:26:20,780 --> 01:26:17,120
the coffin during the day instead of red

1981
01:26:23,930 --> 01:26:20,790
no I did that occasionally but mostly I

1982
01:26:25,730 --> 01:26:23,940
I had a room where there were light

1983
01:26:27,980 --> 01:26:25,740
tight curtains you know really thick

1984
01:26:30,530 --> 01:26:27,990
drapes over the one window in the room

1985
01:26:32,510 --> 01:26:30,540
and I stayed there except maybe once or

1986
01:26:34,850 --> 01:26:32,520
twice a week I'd have to go and do the

1987
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:34,860
the coffin thing but it was not it was

1988
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:36,330
not real comfortable it's kind of

1989
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:38,850
claustrophobic and you know you can

1990
01:26:42,890 --> 01:26:40,650
imagine imagine sleeping you know with a

1991
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:42,900
with a with a cough in a coffin I mean

1992
01:26:47,630 --> 01:26:44,490
you know it's not all it's cracked up to

1993
01:26:51,260 --> 01:26:47,640
be well and you were married to so your

1994
01:26:55,070 --> 01:26:51,270
wife would have missed you yeah yeah um

1995
01:26:56,630 --> 01:26:55,080
and in the twilight saga okay edward the

1996
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:56,640
vampire for those of you who aren't

1997
01:27:00,290 --> 01:26:58,560
familiar with it Edward is a vampire he

1998
01:27:03,950 --> 01:27:00,300
falls in love with a human they get

1999
01:27:05,780 --> 01:27:03,960
married and they end up consummating the

2000
01:27:08,450 --> 01:27:05,790
relationship and she gets pregnant and

2001
01:27:11,090 --> 01:27:08,460
has this like half vampire child now you

2002
01:27:12,770 --> 01:27:11,100
were married to a lady and she didn't

2003
01:27:14,990 --> 01:27:12,780
turn into a vampire was this ever a

2004
01:27:17,060 --> 01:27:15,000
thing like could there be a half-vampire

2005
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:17,070
person like did you ever have to worry

2006
01:27:23,660 --> 01:27:19,890
about something like that no not really

2007
01:27:26,420 --> 01:27:23,670
you know there's a main part of the

2008
01:27:30,590 --> 01:27:26,430
glass movie no I know I know and the

2009
01:27:34,780 --> 01:27:30,600
funny thing is that I don't know how to

2010
01:27:38,420 --> 01:27:34,790
say this delicately but basically

2011
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:38,430
vampires don't do that they can't they

2012
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:43,650
can't procreate male vampires cannot you

2013
01:27:50,300 --> 01:27:46,970
know have relations oh so they're like

2014
01:27:51,939 --> 01:27:50,310
just a lot of biting of the neck right

2015
01:27:54,339 --> 01:27:51,949
right yeah

2016
01:27:57,370 --> 01:27:54,349
that-that-that's totally tranced what he

2017
01:28:01,719 --> 01:27:57,380
want to call it transmuted that desire

2018
01:28:04,870 --> 01:28:01,729
into into the desire for blood wow so

2019
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:04,880
that's even like really really ravenous

2020
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:07,280
yeah yeah are you hungry but you're

2021
01:28:12,009 --> 01:28:09,679
sexually hungry and just well yeah yeah

2022
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:12,019
and add that makes it even worse you

2023
01:28:15,779 --> 01:28:14,090
know and that's what the devil does you

2024
01:28:18,669 --> 01:28:15,789
know just like there there are some

2025
01:28:21,969 --> 01:28:18,679
psychotropic drugs that make you

2026
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:21,979
extremely you know lustful well in the

2027
01:28:27,339 --> 01:28:24,650
same way this kind of a cult stuff can

2028
01:28:29,319 --> 01:28:27,349
make you extremely lustful so it's it's

2029
01:28:31,270 --> 01:28:29,329
a it's a bad thing all the way around

2030
01:28:35,169 --> 01:28:31,280
because it it combines the worst

2031
01:28:37,930 --> 01:28:35,179
features of the worst appetites of both

2032
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:37,940
the human and the animal nature into one

2033
01:28:45,629 --> 01:28:43,010
horrible package mmhmm yeah um I have a

2034
01:28:48,189 --> 01:28:45,639
question from those true yeah okay I

2035
01:28:50,229 --> 01:28:48,199
have a question from the chat room when

2036
01:28:52,569 --> 01:28:50,239
you no longer enjoyed living the vamp

2037
01:28:54,910 --> 01:28:52,579
lifestyle and couldn't could not eat

2038
01:28:56,949 --> 01:28:54,920
food why did you not seek medical

2039
01:28:58,839 --> 01:28:56,959
attention and that kind of ties in with

2040
01:29:01,239 --> 01:28:58,849
a question that i have like what sort of

2041
01:29:03,609 --> 01:29:01,249
long-term physical effects did a blood

2042
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:03,619
diet have on your body I know last time

2043
01:29:07,779 --> 01:29:05,570
we talked about how you're like kind of

2044
01:29:10,719 --> 01:29:07,789
a health nut quote-unquote now and you

2045
01:29:12,939 --> 01:29:10,729
know is that kind of what I mean tell me

2046
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:12,949
about your diet and your body and the

2047
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:15,199
changes of that and did you seek a

2048
01:29:19,270 --> 01:29:17,449
medical attention well no because first

2049
01:29:23,799 --> 01:29:19,280
of all I was afraid of what a doctor

2050
01:29:25,779 --> 01:29:23,809
would find hmm you know I not I've never

2051
01:29:27,129 --> 01:29:25,789
been real fun and don't take this

2052
01:29:29,739 --> 01:29:27,139
personally anybody out that it's a

2053
01:29:32,729 --> 01:29:29,749
doctor but you know I like most guys I

2054
01:29:35,859 --> 01:29:32,739
don't really like going to doctors and

2055
01:29:38,140 --> 01:29:35,869
you know so and back in those days I

2056
01:29:39,669 --> 01:29:38,150
mean I didn't I was marginally employed

2057
01:29:41,859 --> 01:29:39,679
you know so I didn't even have medical

2058
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:41,869
insurance of any kind so I just know I

2059
01:29:46,299 --> 01:29:43,489
never even thought of that I knew this

2060
01:29:47,799 --> 01:29:46,309
was an occult issue you know I didn't

2061
01:29:50,919 --> 01:29:47,809
think I had that there is this weird

2062
01:29:54,459 --> 01:29:50,929
disease porphyria which has a lot of the

2063
01:29:57,189 --> 01:29:54,469
same qualities as vampirism does and I

2064
01:29:59,399 --> 01:29:57,199
knew that I knew that back then but you

2065
01:30:02,169 --> 01:29:59,409
know no I never sought medical attention

2066
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:02,179
oddly enough on this diet you know you

2067
01:30:08,540 --> 01:30:05,760
asked about it I I I never lost weight

2068
01:30:12,979 --> 01:30:08,550
no hmm I never gain weight either you

2069
01:30:16,459 --> 01:30:12,989
know but no I I did okay physically said

2070
01:30:21,620 --> 01:30:16,469
it was excruciating Lee boring plus you

2071
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:21,630
you smell you see evil stinks hmm I mean

2072
01:30:27,410 --> 01:30:26,250
I hate LA so / no Justin I mean you know

2073
01:30:31,399 --> 01:30:27,420
let's just put it this way had to brush

2074
01:30:34,459 --> 01:30:31,409
my teeth a lot and let's be delicate you

2075
01:30:35,930 --> 01:30:34,469
know party teeth did you have fangs yeah

2076
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:35,940
but I don't have to go to a dentist and

2077
01:30:41,419 --> 01:30:39,360
have them made me about that and I would

2078
01:30:43,459 --> 01:30:41,429
when I would what do you want to call it

2079
01:30:45,740 --> 01:30:43,469
when I would be in the presence of

2080
01:30:48,500 --> 01:30:45,750
somebody and I was let's just say

2081
01:30:51,049 --> 01:30:48,510
thirsty I could actually hear their

2082
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:51,059
heart breed across the room ooh super

2083
01:30:58,490 --> 01:30:55,050
sensitive and I i would if i was you

2084
01:31:02,990 --> 01:30:58,500
know hungry shall we say my teeth would

2085
01:31:04,910 --> 01:31:03,000
grow a little and I would you know be

2086
01:31:06,890 --> 01:31:04,920
kind of in a place at that time when I

2087
01:31:09,140 --> 01:31:06,900
could you know all the things situation

2088
01:31:12,589 --> 01:31:09,150
was right I could you know bite them in

2089
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:12,599
the neck you know but that isn't you

2090
01:31:18,919 --> 01:31:17,010
know that is not you know you don't have

2091
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:18,929
to you don't have to dwell on that stuff

2092
01:31:24,049 --> 01:31:20,489
but that's that's basically what would

2093
01:31:26,089 --> 01:31:24,059
happen so you know when you talked about

2094
01:31:27,649 --> 01:31:26,099
in your interview with the vampire like

2095
01:31:30,140 --> 01:31:27,659
you went to the dentist and your saliva

2096
01:31:32,839 --> 01:31:30,150
it actually changed too oh well yeah

2097
01:31:34,910 --> 01:31:32,849
yeah that that's a different matter but

2098
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:34,920
the fact of the matter is that the

2099
01:31:45,169 --> 01:31:37,440
vampire bat there really is a vampire

2100
01:31:47,450 --> 01:31:45,179
bat and the the fact of the matter is

2101
01:31:50,390 --> 01:31:47,460
that they have a cocaine like substance

2102
01:31:53,209 --> 01:31:50,400
these baths that they secrete they land

2103
01:31:56,810 --> 01:31:53,219
on like a cow or some other large mammal

2104
01:31:59,209 --> 01:31:56,820
and uh they bite them and inject this

2105
01:32:01,430 --> 01:31:59,219
this the substance which is like cocaine

2106
01:32:04,700 --> 01:32:01,440
and some of your listeners might know

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cocaine is a topical anesthetic so it

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doesn't hurt so the cow could just sit

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there out in the field and be all sleepy

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and not even realize this vampire is

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vampire bat rather is drinking you know

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several leaders of their blood because

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these little bats drinking amazing

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amount of blood so anyway

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I in the same way that happened to me

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and so when I went to the dentist one

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time this this fellow was a friend of

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mine he was a dental student at

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Marquette University School of Dentistry

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and he started working on my teeth and

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he said you have this weird saliva it's

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really thick and then he discovered his

2123
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fingers had gone numb hmm they actually

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it's like he says this is like I got

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cocaine not cocaine novacane which is a

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purse kind of a chemical derivative of

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cocaine on my fingers and of course

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that's what's dennis use to numb your

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yeah and you're like oh really and you

2130
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didn't tell ya so he end up no I didn't

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see and then he put on gloves you know

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this is before aids showed up and all

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Dennis now wear gloves but yeah it's

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bizarre it really is Wow now what is it

2135
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:08,530
think we're gonna talk about werewolves

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01:33:13,860 --> 01:33:10,690
here briefly but what is it through all

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this that kept you that that was your

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goal that kept you wanting more like

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what was it well for me it was the idea

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01:33:25,740 --> 01:33:23,140
of wisdom this this wisdom that nobody

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01:33:27,540 --> 01:33:25,750
else knows you know that's what the word

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01:33:30,690 --> 01:33:27,550
of cult means it literally means hidden

2143
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and this is the seduction of all this

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let me just talk about this for a minute

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because I think it's an important point

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young people are drawn to the occult

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because they see its mystery and its

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01:33:48,060 --> 01:33:45,760
promise of either power or wisdom the

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01:33:50,900 --> 01:33:48,070
idea of knowing stuff that nobody else

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01:33:54,990 --> 01:33:50,910
knows I mean kids love that stuff and

2151
01:33:56,910 --> 01:33:55,000
you know the danger is is that if you

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01:33:59,250 --> 01:33:56,920
have not introduced them to Christ if

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01:34:01,980 --> 01:33:59,260
you have not shared with them the power

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01:34:04,110 --> 01:34:01,990
of the Holy Spirit and taught them about

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01:34:08,460 --> 01:34:04,120
this stuff that when they go out into

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01:34:10,290 --> 01:34:08,470
the culture at large they end up you

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01:34:13,050 --> 01:34:10,300
know being to see by these things

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because I remember thinking as as a

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young man in my 20s you know this is

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much more exciting what I was seeing in

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01:34:22,350 --> 01:34:20,110
the Catholic Church you know and I'm

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01:34:24,210 --> 01:34:22,360
sure some young people think that way

2163
01:34:26,100 --> 01:34:24,220
about you know what are their Baptists

2164
01:34:28,530 --> 01:34:26,110
are Pentecostal whatever because you

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01:34:30,690 --> 01:34:28,540
know they're there is no vitality

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01:34:33,550 --> 01:34:30,700
present in a lot of churches nowadays

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01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:33,560
the churches nowadays have lost a lot of

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01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:36,890
fire and young people want that fire